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24 Aug 2021, 8:40 pm

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I'll give Biden this; He's made the Taliban Great Again!
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And, by the looks of it, Trump too. 8O



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24 Aug 2021, 8:42 pm

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^Biden’s response and ability to govern and make sound judgement is beyond disturbing, at a time when action and sound judgement is so needed.


Scary stuff, yes.
But surely he won't go for a second term, and I have heard reports that people want him to "abdicate" early.

330,000,000 million people and all they can come up with is an orange man and Uncle Joe? :scratch:

Juliette wrote:
^Biden’s response and ability to govern and make sound judgement is beyond disturbing, at a time when action and sound judgement is so needed.

If ever there was a time to stand up for what’s truly “right”, if now isn’t that “time” then when is?


Deja vu.
Shades of "The Matrix" movie. 8O



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24 Aug 2021, 8:47 pm

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^^ With respect, Biden did not have to honor Trump’s promises just as he chose to not to honor certain other promises. He’s been very selective.


Technically, he didn't honor Mr Trump's promise in this case either, as that promise was for a full withdrawal by May 1...



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24 Aug 2021, 8:50 pm

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I'll give Biden this; He's made the Taliban Great Again!


Nope. He simply honored a promise made by the Orange Fool. We trained the Afghan Army at a cost in the trillions. We did our part. Only way to get rid of the Taliban is to kill everyone over there and start fresh.


The orange man made it clear recently how he would have left Afghanistan.
Have you considered that?

Uncle Joe is being roundly criticised.
The way he implemented the withdrawal is considered indefensible. 8)



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24 Aug 2021, 8:51 pm

Juliette wrote:
^^ With respect, Biden did not have to honor Trump’s promises just as he chose to not to honor certain other promises. He’s been very selective.


Indeed. 8)



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24 Aug 2021, 8:54 pm

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Juliette wrote:
^^ With respect, Biden did not have to honor Trump’s promises just as he chose to not to honor certain other promises. He’s been very selective.


I'm glad my tax money and the lives of my countries soldiers aren't being wasted on that God forsaken miserable waste heap of a nation anymore.


You are missing the point.
Uncle Joe is presiding over an unfolding human tragedy.
He has to wear that, as Trump has to wear his brain fart on the 6th. 8)



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24 Aug 2021, 9:12 pm

Brictoria wrote:
Juliette wrote:
^^ With respect, Biden did not have to honor Trump’s promises just as he chose to not to honor certain other promises. He’s been very selective.


Technically, he didn't honor Mr Trump's promise in this case either, as that promise was for a full withdrawal by May 1...


Yes, and now British soldiers are planning on staying beyond the deadline, come what may, in order to “attempt” to see to it that more may have a chance at a future.



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24 Aug 2021, 9:14 pm

Pepe wrote:
Juliette wrote:
^Biden’s response and ability to govern and make sound judgement is beyond disturbing, at a time when action and sound judgement is so needed.


Scary stuff, yes.
But surely he won't go for a second term, and I have heard reports that people want him to "abdicate" early.

330,000,000 million people and all they can come up with is an orange man and Uncle Joe? :scratch:

Juliette wrote:
^Biden’s response and ability to govern and make sound judgement is beyond disturbing, at a time when action and sound judgement is so needed.

If ever there was a time to stand up for what’s truly “right”, if now isn’t that “time” then when is?


Deja vu.
Shades of "The Matrix" movie. 8O


Yes … I did attempt to correct that. :)



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24 Aug 2021, 9:23 pm

Pepe wrote:
Juliette wrote:
^Biden’s response and ability to govern and make sound judgement is beyond disturbing, at a time when action and sound judgement is so needed.


Scary stuff, yes.
But surely he won't go for a second term, and I have heard reports that people want him to "abdicate" early.

Now, THAT could be interesting...

Under the 25th Ammendment, Ms Harris would take on the position of President. If this occurs prior to (I believe) Jan 20, 2022, then she would be restricted to only being able to be elected for a single term under her own "ticket" in future.

However, were she to be "elevated" to the Presidency, the position of "Vice President" would need to be filled, which requires a majority vote in each of the houses of Congress - At present the Senate is split 50:50, with Ms Harris (in the position of "Vice President") being the "deciding vote" in the case of a tie, but on elevation to the Presidency, she loses this.

Complicating things further is that traditionally when a party controls the Presidency, along with both houses, they tend to lose a number of seats in the "mid-terms".

So, the connundrum for Ms Harris (and her party) is do they:
* Allow Mr Biden to "retire" (or otherwise) before the mid-terms and have Ms Harris elevated, limiting her ability to only run a single term in her own name, but having a higher possibility of selecting a new "Vice President" that she deems "suitable".
* Retain Mr Biden until mid-terms, allowing Ms Harris the potential to try to run for 2 terms under her own "ticket" in the future, but potentially limit options for who could be confirmed as the new "Vice President"
* Retain Mr Biden until the next Presidential election, hoping that voters will forget\ignore his more "questionable" actions (going on Holiday while Afghanistan issue is occurring, for example) and not instead punish his party at that time.

As a side note, should there be no "Vice President" and something were to occur to the President, I believe the "Speaker of the House" is elevated to the role of President:



Interesting times...



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24 Aug 2021, 9:47 pm

Juliette wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Juliette wrote:
^Biden’s response and ability to govern and make sound judgement is beyond disturbing, at a time when action and sound judgement is so needed.


Scary stuff, yes.
But surely he won't go for a second term, and I have heard reports that people want him to "abdicate" early.

330,000,000 million people and all they can come up with is an orange man and Uncle Joe? :scratch:

Juliette wrote:
^Biden’s response and ability to govern and make sound judgement is beyond disturbing, at a time when action and sound judgement is so needed.

If ever there was a time to stand up for what’s truly “right”, if now isn’t that “time” then when is?


Deja vu.
Shades of "The Matrix" movie. 8O


Yes … I did attempt to correct that. :)


Try harder next time, blonde Trinity. :mrgreen:



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24 Aug 2021, 9:50 pm

Juliette wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Juliette wrote:
^Biden’s response and ability to govern and make sound judgement is beyond disturbing, at a time when action and sound judgement is so needed.


Scary stuff, yes.
But surely he won't go for a second term, and I have heard reports that people want him to "abdicate" early.

330,000,000 million people and all they can come up with is an orange man and Uncle Joe? :scratch:

Juliette wrote:
^Biden’s response and ability to govern and make sound judgement is beyond disturbing, at a time when action and sound judgement is so needed.

If ever there was a time to stand up for what’s truly “right”, if now isn’t that “time” then when is?


Deja vu.
Shades of "The Matrix" movie. 8O


Yes … I did attempt to correct that. :)


You could have deleted the first post because it was the last one at the time. ;)



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24 Aug 2021, 9:58 pm

Pepe wrote:
Axeman wrote:
Juliette wrote:
^^ With respect, Biden did not have to honor Trump’s promises just as he chose to not to honor certain other promises. He’s been very selective.


I'm glad my tax money and the lives of my countries soldiers aren't being wasted on that God forsaken miserable waste heap of a nation anymore.


You are missing the point.
Uncle Joe is presiding over an unfolding human tragedy.
He has to wear that, as Trump has to wear his brain fart on the 6th. 8)


The 6th was a failed insurrection for which all involved should be tried for treason, Trump included.



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24 Aug 2021, 10:00 pm

“If you have something terribly important to say, I suggest you say it now …” from the Matrix dear Pepe :P



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24 Aug 2021, 10:18 pm

Axeman wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Axeman wrote:
Juliette wrote:
^^ With respect, Biden did not have to honor Trump’s promises just as he chose to not to honor certain other promises. He’s been very selective.


I'm glad my tax money and the lives of my countries soldiers aren't being wasted on that God forsaken miserable waste heap of a nation anymore.


You are missing the point.
Uncle Joe is presiding over an unfolding human tragedy.
He has to wear that, as Trump has to wear his brain fart on the 6th. 8)


The 6th was a failed insurrection for which all involved should be tried for treason, Trump included.

Interestingly, the FBI don't seem to share that view...
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WASHINGTON, Aug 20 (Reuters) - The FBI has found scant evidence that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result, according to four current and former law enforcement officials.

Though federal officials have arrested more than 570 alleged participants, the FBI at this point believes the violence was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups or prominent supporters of then-President Donald Trump, according to the sources, who have been either directly involved in or briefed regularly on the wide-ranging investigations.

"Ninety to ninety-five percent of these are one-off cases," said a former senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation. "Then you have five percent, maybe, of these militia groups that were more closely organized. But there was no grand scheme with Roger Stone and Alex Jones and all of these people to storm the Capitol and take hostages."

Stone, a veteran Republican operative and self-described "dirty trickster", and Jones, founder of a conspiracy-driven radio show and webcast, are both allies of Trump and had been involved in pro-Trump events in Washington on Jan. 5, the day before the riot.

FBI investigators did find that cells of protesters, including followers of the far-right Oath Keepers and Proud Boys groups, had aimed to break into the Capitol. But they found no evidence that the groups had serious plans about what to do if they made it inside, the sources said.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/



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24 Aug 2021, 10:36 pm

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“If you have something terribly important to say, I suggest you say it now …” from the Matrix dear Pepe :P



I luv, you Blonde Trinity.
Our luv will conquer all. :heart: :mrgreen:



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24 Aug 2021, 10:39 pm

Brictoria wrote:
Axeman wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Axeman wrote:
Juliette wrote:
^^ With respect, Biden did not have to honor Trump’s promises just as he chose to not to honor certain other promises. He’s been very selective.


I'm glad my tax money and the lives of my countries soldiers aren't being wasted on that God forsaken miserable waste heap of a nation anymore.


You are missing the point.
Uncle Joe is presiding over an unfolding human tragedy.
He has to wear that, as Trump has to wear his brain fart on the 6th. 8)


The 6th was a failed insurrection for which all involved should be tried for treason, Trump included.

Interestingly, the FBI don't seem to share that view...
Quote:
WASHINGTON, Aug 20 (Reuters) - The FBI has found scant evidence that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result, according to four current and former law enforcement officials.

Though federal officials have arrested more than 570 alleged participants, the FBI at this point believes the violence was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups or prominent supporters of then-President Donald Trump, according to the sources, who have been either directly involved in or briefed regularly on the wide-ranging investigations.

"Ninety to ninety-five percent of these are one-off cases," said a former senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation. "Then you have five percent, maybe, of these militia groups that were more closely organized. But there was no grand scheme with Roger Stone and Alex Jones and all of these people to storm the Capitol and take hostages."

Stone, a veteran Republican operative and self-described "dirty trickster", and Jones, founder of a conspiracy-driven radio show and webcast, are both allies of Trump and had been involved in pro-Trump events in Washington on Jan. 5, the day before the riot.

FBI investigators did find that cells of protesters, including followers of the far-right Oath Keepers and Proud Boys groups, had aimed to break into the Capitol. But they found no evidence that the groups had serious plans about what to do if they made it inside, the sources said.

Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/


Common sense will tell you it wasn't an "Insurrection". :roll:
Apparently, it is in short supply. 8)