17 Aug 2007, 11:40 pm
Ragtime wrote:
calandale wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
How many times would you like me to answer this question? Just give me a number. You've asked it several times, and I've answered it several times. Lust is wrong, but Christians' sins are forgiven. But, as Paul wrote, "Should we therefore sin more? God forbid!"
Therefore, no, we should not fornicate.
Therefore, no, we should not fornicate.
I don't get this. Why not? I mean, if we WANT to
sin, and it's all forgiven as simply as you say, well
what the hell.
When we're Saved, we're spiritually converted, and given the "mind of Christ", so that we find it easy to think like Him in morality and sense of purpose. Therefore, we don't as deeply want to sin as before we're Saved. More specifically, we have a contra-sin nature, in addition to our original sin nature. So, we have an instinct of righteousness "warring against" our sinful desires. So, real Christians aren't going around all day wanting to sin. And they don't consider it any kind of worthy goal to do so -- it's sh** to them, not gold.
So either gay Christians really are Christians and homosexuality isn't sinful, or they aren't Christians, so what? You going to kick up s**t every time somebody supposedly sins while they're a Christian you'd be better off bitching about rapists, murders, and racists. But no, instead here you are trying to bring down people who are supposed to be your friends, or whatever twisted definition of friends it is that you have. You don't accept logic yet you come back for more repeatedly, as if you like arguing with people and getting them to fight with you. No I didn't read the whole Thread, because I know it's the same old lame excuses with you time after time. I just like bitching at you, reminding you how like to run away from arguments, and your various other failings.
17 Aug 2007, 11:50 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Hahahaha! 
I'd hardly call abstaining from p**** "wasting my life"! If that's your highest level of achievement, you have my sympathies. (And don't say you had dick too...)
I'd hardly call abstaining from p**** "wasting my life"! If that's your highest level of achievement, you have my sympathies. (And don't say you had dick too...)No, I wouldn't put it quite that way.
But, I can't imagine having made
it through my life without the love
that I've felt - love which wouldn't
have been there without being a
bit willing to have some sex (which
isn't a bad thing in and of itself).
Moreover, there are so many interesting things
that one just throws out the window, by following
some restrictive set of rules. Which is why so many
"sins" were removed from list of no nos, for Christianity -
the religion could not have spread with the restrictions
Judaism had.
See, we're not just talking sex here. According to your
doctrine, I could go out and revel in the thrill of murder,
or live a life of gluttony - there's really no limit. Which is
why most politicians are religious, I suppose.
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I agree with that. Mine's gone, because otherwise I'd be gone. It nearly burst when I was 13.
Wow. I think God wanted you to keep it though.
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18 Aug 2007, 1:24 am
calandale wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Hahahaha! I'd hardly call abstaining from p**** "wasting my life"! If that's your highest level of achievement, you have my sympathies. (And don't say you had dick too...)
I'd hardly call abstaining from p**** "wasting my life"! If that's your highest level of achievement, you have my sympathies. (And don't say you had dick too...)No, I wouldn't put it quite that way.
But, I can't imagine having made
it through my life without the love
that I've felt - love which wouldn't
have been there without being a
bit willing to have some sex (which
isn't a bad thing in and of itself).
Moreover, there are so many interesting things
that one just throws out the window, by following
some restrictive set of rules. Which is why so many
"sins" were removed from list of no nos, for Christianity -
the religion could not have spread with the restrictions
Judaism had.
See, we're not just talking sex here. According to your
doctrine, I could go out and revel in the thrill of murder,
or live a life of gluttony - there's really no limit. Which is
why most politicians are religious, I suppose.
You're not getting what I said about the mind of Christ: Once you're truly born again, you don't consider Grace a "free pass to sin". You just don't see it that way anymore, because you're focused on the joys of doing good, not on the prohibitions from doing evil. God uses Christians for ministry; their assignment isn't simply to sit at home till they die not sinning. And the "interesting things" you allude to -- one just can't compare that to the righteous synergy one experiences through serving our Creator. Believe me, I've had awesome, mind-blowing, heart-attack inducing sex, and I've served in ministry that God has given me -- and ministry is better, hands down. You've had the first (I assume), but you've never done the second, so you're out of the know here. There is simply no amount of physical/emotional/intellectual stimulation that can reach the total awesomeness of the genuine spiritual fulfillment of being in sync with your Creator. Life just DOESN'T GET better than that! That's why I'm willing to renounce sex for ministry -- 'cause ministry's way better, both for the good of others and for personal fulfillment.
18 Aug 2007, 1:40 am
calandale wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
When we're Saved, we're spiritually converted, and given the "mind of Christ", so that we find it easy to think like Him in morality and sense of purpose. Therefore, we don't as deeply want to sin as before we're Saved. More specifically, we have a contra-sin nature, in addition to our original sin nature. So, we have an instinct of righteousness "warring against" our sinful desires. So, real Christians aren't going around all day wanting to sin. And they don't consider it any kind of worthy goal to do so -- it's sh** to them, not gold.
Right, but there's no reason to get saved right
away.
OMGosh, why would I prolong the torment of being spiritually dead? Why would I wish to remain blind, not knowing where I'm going? Besides, we never know when our lives will end:
"Then Jesus said to them, 'Beware, and be on your guard against every form of greed; for not even when one has an abundance does his life consist of his possessions.' And He told them a parable, saying, 'The land of a rich man was very productive. And he began reasoning to himself, saying, "What shall I do, since I have no place to store my crops?" Then he said, "This is what I will do: I will tear down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. And I will say to my soul, 'Soul, you have many goods laid up for many years to come; take your ease, eat, drink and be merry.'" But God said to him, "You fool! This very night your soul is required of you; and now who will own what you have prepared?" (Luke 12:15-20).
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