techstepgenr8tion wrote:
z0rp wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
... you can easily enough come to the realization that atheism's tenants may well be too simple to explain the whole picture.
Atheism doesn't even attempt to explain anything, it's not a religious belief, Atheism is just as much as much as a belief as Polytheism and Monotheism, it's just the disbelief in gods. However, of course many Atheists who are interested in understanding or explaining the whole picture are more than welcome to try to figure it out for themselves. Many people dislike the idea of not knowing what the whole picture is and may put their faith in a religion because of this, however an answer to the question is just an answer. The answers given by religion generally aren't based on truth, but if you don't care about the truth in a sense I still wouldn't recommend going for our popular religions. If you're religious for comfort why not make yourself believe something far more comfortable than cruel beliefs such as Islam or Christianity?
When I say that atheism has tenets, I mean that its an idea that people arrive at by seeing the injustices of the world, seeing that there's practically no justice, seeing that when we behave badly we're really showing our animal side, many see evolution as part of the disproof of religion (as many seem to have a rather strict creationist text), and they tend to believe that people who believe in God are sort of taking the easy way out - ie. believing what they would like to think is true, what gives them life after life or a sense that there's some sort of eternal justice. Then again I don't want to speak for all atheists but it seems like atheism largely comes from - the fact that signs, to them at least, are too easily explained away.
Whoa, dude you are way off. Remember this word: Evidence. That's why I'm an Atheist, these 'injustices' have nothing to do with my decision because it's not part of the question. The question would be "Is <Insert Religion Here> Correct?", once I hear that question I ask for proof. They then tell me "Proof? HAHHA, who needs that crap? Faith!". And no, I'm not an Atheist because I've 'disproved God', to be honest I don't know if there's a God and neither do you, just as we both aren't sure whether the Universe was created by The Flying Spaghetti Monster or Ralph The Octopus Deity or Cthulhu. The fact is, in my searching for the answer none of the four I've mentioned come up, and there's absolutely no evidence or proof backing up the claims of the people who claim them to have started this all.
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Many of the more intelligent theists though aren't religious for comfort; they've read Nietze, they believe in staring the harsh unbridled truths of life right in the face, they want to know the truth rather than giving in to their own illusions, and their arrival at the existence of God is more of the fact that - at first they were very inclined to believe that atheism (based on the sorts of evil and cruelty they've seen in life) makes the most sense early on but they start to see as well that, through a bit of negative proof, that certain core ideas that would lend our existence to atheism have holes and of course these people, not comfortable to clinging to a personal belief that has holes and corners where aspects of it don't work, take a step beyond.
Ok listen, post or message me what you feel proof or evidence for God is, I'll refute it unless it's unanswerable (Like is there a small meteor orbiting Saturn that resembles Abe Lincoln's head or something to that effect).
slowmutant wrote:
Is it a common belief among atheist that believers deny the harsh realities of life or make some attempt to avoid them? Do the harsh realities of life present themselves only to atheists?
I was simply going to say "No", but now that I think about it, it depends. A believer usually thinks everything happens for a spiritual reason, like it was
meant to be. Arguably in a sense that's avoiding reality in my opinion. If you're saying most Atheists think believers don't go through any harsh realities of life, as in physical harsh realities I would have to disagree with you.
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