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"To you templar master; may your crusade never fail."

Phagocyte is right here. Homophobia is basically heterosexism. Homosexualphobia is large and awkward, so even dictionaries condense it to homophobia. I don't appreciate semantics games, as they get us nowhere, and are a flimsy shield to the true issues at hand.

Also, phobia connotes dislike, aversion to, or even hatred of, as well as fear, as Phagocyte said. Being uncomfortable with homosexuality, or homosexuals because of their sexuality is homophobia. Stop mincing words.

Hey Malsane maybe you are further supporting evidence for evolution

I did not speak of 'disdain for the physical form', that is an entirely different subject.
Humans are physically part of the animal kingdom yes. And human civilization isn't much older than about 15.000 years (which is nothing when you consider how long hominids exist).

You cannot say that humans are mere animals without denying the essential part of what makes us human. Our spiritual potential raises us well above the animal world and all souls aspire to become human.

Sorry Daran both you and I are animals, mammals to be conscise. Our spiritual potential? yeah I suppose your right you dont hear dogs or mice discussing the workings of imaginary gods. "All souls aspire to become human", got to say I havent been to a mixed soul convention recently is that what they are saying now.

Not everbody is ready for spirituality. As I said humans have only been civilized for a relatively short time span. Everyone will get there eventually though.

Define spirituality, I hope you dont think that superstition is a mark of civilisation

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I am secure in my sexuality. Instead of homophobe, call me heterophile.

Spirituality is the effort and process to go beyond the limitations of the individual consciousness. Superstitions, believing in religious myths, religious dogmatism and ritualism cannot give spiritual progress and aren't i.m.o. a part of true civilisation. A scociety that has no form of spiritual practices whatsoever, cannot be called civilised.

No that's dumb (and I don't mean any offense by that). If you have an irrational aversion to an entire, general group of fellow human beings, at least show the courtesy of not sugar-coating it with political-correctness.

I'm sure it's a sin, etc. But just like any other prejudice, homophobia will be stamped out irregardless of whether a select few choose not to move forward and insist on dwelling in crippling conservatism.

I agree, it is cowardly and dishonest not to state one's opinions in a straight forward fashion.

I dislike the act the of sodomy more than I dislike homosexuals. It's the act, not the person. How many times must I restate this? How many repetitions do you require? How many variations of this statement must I give? How much more redundancy is necessary?

It's funny with all this talk about the "gay agenda" imposing itself on family values. Between this, the Intelligent Design (which is creationism, let's not kid ourselves) debate, and many other religious conservative aims, I have never felt such a great sense of imposition in my life. Speaking from a strictly pragmatic, politically moderate and non-altruistic standpoint, the gays have never bothered me, but the religious extremists have.

The religious extremists bother me as well.

WHO CARES?

Seriously, dude. Unless the gay community breaks down your door and systematically violates you against your will, how does sodomy matter in the least to you? You think sodomy is "gross?" Do you know how many weird and digusting fetishes their are out there with nothing to do with homosexuality? Urine drinking? Feces fetishes? But guess what: It's got nothing to do with me, it's not my business, so I completely don't give a damn. Why do you care?

I don't mean to come off as abrasive, I like you slowmutant and you always have something interesting to add to a discussion. But honestly, I don't understand how the issue of homosexuality or sodomy can incite such strong feelings on either side of the fence. This should be an issue about people doing what they want to do with two consenting adults, they have that right, it's enforced, and the approval or disapproval of strangers should have nothing to do with it. I don't dislike sodomy, and I don't like it. I don't care (though I do care about a person's right to engage in it if they so wish). As long as nobody is making me engage in the act (or making me feel inadequate because I choose to do so), then I am fine with it.

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