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09 Sep 2008, 1:01 pm

This from Wikipedia:

Satan, (Standard Hebrew Satan'el), is a term that originates from the Abrahamic faiths, being traditionally applied to an angel in Judeo-Christian belief, and to a jinn in Islamic belief.

While Hebrew ha-Satan is "the accuser" and Satan itself means "to overcome" — the one who challenged the religious faith of humans in the books of Job and Zechariah — Abrahamic religious belief systems other than Judaism relate this term to a demon, a rebellious fallen angel, devil, minor god and idol, or as an allegory for knowledge or the enlightenment of mankind.

Although my first thought was that Satanism must be some kind of devil worship perhaps derived from the pre-Christian belief in demons, the Wikipedia throws a new light on it. It implies that since Satan questioned the authority of God, any questioning in that area indicates Satanism. Certainly Atheism is in favor of the intellectual enlightenment of mankind as opposed to an attitude of abject domination by an imaginary super being. So perhaps the identification of Atheism with Satanism has at least a fragile basis even without an assumption of a belief in a demon angel.



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09 Sep 2008, 1:11 pm

The spirit of atheism and Satanism are similar. Atheism might just be Satanism without the supernatural aspect.



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09 Sep 2008, 2:03 pm

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09 Sep 2008, 3:00 pm

I HATE CHRISTIANITY. Basically Christianity is the belief that we are all doomed because some woman ate an apple from a tree despite the fact that a talking snake told her not to. Or am I wrong here? Atheism is the belief that this is total bull s**t. Satanism is the same thing as Christianity. The only difference is that God and Satan are switched up. Other than that, they are virtually identical. Did I mention I hate Christianity? Christians have been killing people in the name of God for over 2000 years. Christians like to point out that Atheist regimes are worse, but they forget to mention that they aren't killing in the name of Atheism. I don't believe in magic, I believe in logic. And anyone with logic will tell you that the Bible, with all its contradictions and magical stories, is full of crap. It's a book of astrology. 12 disciples=12 constellations. KRS-one even said this before he became Christian. Heaven is in the clouds, just like the Sun, er, Son, the Son of God. Ancient cultures worshipped the Sun. Now we worship Jesus. Same s**t, different era. Bottom line is this: Christianity is used for social and political control, especially when it comes to things like abortion and gay marriage. Sure, you find peace, but there is a price to pay for that peace.


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09 Sep 2008, 3:19 pm

Sir_Beefy wrote:
I HATE CHRISTIANITY. Basically Christianity is the belief that we are all doomed because some woman ate an apple from a tree despite the fact that a talking snake told her not to. Or am I wrong here? Atheism is the belief that this is total bull sh**. Satanism is the same thing as Christianity. The only difference is that God and Satan are switched up. Other than that, they are virtually identical. Did I mention I hate Christianity? Christians have been killing people in the name of God for over 2000 years. Christians like to point out that Atheist regimes are worse, but they forget to mention that they aren't killing in the name of Atheism. I don't believe in magic, I believe in logic. And anyone with logic will tell you that the Bible, with all its contradictions and magical stories, is full of crap. It's a book of astrology. 12 disciples=12 constellations. KRS-one even said this before he became Christian. Heaven is in the clouds, just like the Sun, er, Son, the Son of God. Ancient cultures worshipped the Sun. Now we worship Jesus. Same sh**, different era. Bottom line is this: Christianity is used for social and political control, especially when it comes to things like abortion and gay marriage. Sure, you find peace, but there is a price to pay for that peace.


George Bush Jnr even said that God spoke to him before he went to war in Iraq.. :x it's a tool of evil, but i dont think that the religion itsself isevil if put to practice.. the fact that no one puts it to practice is the real issue.. the same thing hapened IN the bible.. God told the Jews to obey him and quickly they stopped obeying him and he abandoned them..



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09 Sep 2008, 3:58 pm

Sir_Beefy wrote:
I HATE CHRISTIANITY. Basically Christianity is the belief that we are all doomed because some woman ate an apple from a tree despite the fact that a talking snake told her not to. Or am I wrong here?


Yes, you are wrong. First, the snake supposedly talked her into it, not tried to talk her out of it. Second, many of the other things you wrote are wrong - at least in the sense that you have reduced religion to a caricature of itself. Christianity in specific, and religion in general, is much more complex than you admit, even though some of the things you say are true.



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09 Sep 2008, 9:55 pm

Whenever snakes talk to me they plead innocence. A rather friendly rattler I met once shook his tail at me and indicated he was not much interested in conversation. Finally, after I had sat very still for a half hour not sure whether to stay still or run like hell, the snake came closer and looked me in the eye.
"Feller", he said, " just don't try to squash me. Most people do and that's very unfriendly."
Then he got a sad expression in his eyes, a difficult thing to do for a snake since his facial capabilities are rather limited.
"You know", he said in a low hiss, " we snakes are easy to get along with. We do a decent job of eating rats and scaring old ladies and wimps like you but we never recommended apples to anybody. Apples taste awful and are very low in protein. My old ancestor recommended eating cows and McDonald's took him up on it and did quite well. Some people, of course, really like rats but frankly I doubt there is much sales appeal in ratburgers. And as far as God is concerned, none of us snakes ever met the guy. The story I heard God invented Adam and Eve and neglected to invent pants and women's underwear. I mean, what did he expect? Anyway, nice having his conversation. Next time, bring a rat."
And he wiggled away.



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09 Sep 2008, 10:06 pm

1) Genetic memory is BS.
2) The New Testament refers to Satan as a dragon and a serpent, probably due to carrying anglicized Latin words over from the Vulgate (which seems a common practice rather than using a Hebrew or Greek word base.) Could have been a Tanystropheus that HaSatan occupied.



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09 Sep 2008, 10:21 pm

Tanystropheus, or Long Necked One, was a 6 metre (20 ft) long reptile that dated from the Middle Triassic period. It is recognizable by its extremely elongated neck, which measured 3 meters (10 ft) long, longer than its body and tail combined. Despite this length, it had only ten neck vertebrae, each quite long. Fossils have been found in Europe and the Middle East. Tribelesodon, originally considered to be a pterosaur by Francesco Bassani in 1886, is now recognized as a junior synonym to Tanystropheus. The best-known species is Tanystropheus longobardicus. Other currently recognized species include T. conspicuus and T. meridensis.[1]

With this incredibly long but relatively stiff neck, Tanystropheus has been often proposed and reconstructed as an aquatic or semi-aquatic reptile, a theory supported by the fact that the creature is most commonly found in semiaquatic fossil sites wherein known terrestrial reptile remains are scarce. Tanystropheus is most often considered to have been piscivorous (or 'fish-eating'), due to the presence of a long, narrow snout sporting sharp interlocking teeth. In several young specimens, three cusped cheek teeth are present in the jaw, which might indicate an insectivorous diet; however, similar teeth patterns have been found in Eudimorphodon and Langobardisaurus, both of whom are considered piscivores. Additionally, hooklets of cephalopods and what may be fish scales have been found near the belly regions of some specimens.

It would seem to me more likely Satan would try to be more impressive. To rival God in dramatic appearance it would seem to me he would appear as a tyrannosaurus rex to convince Eve to eat apples. After all, they make the best apple salesmen ever.



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10 Sep 2008, 8:33 am

slowmutant wrote:
The spirit of atheism and Satanism are similar. Atheism might just be Satanism without the supernatural aspect.

Why is it that I feel I'm being ignored when I try to explain what Atheism and Satanism actually are..



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10 Sep 2008, 8:38 am

z0rp wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
The spirit of atheism and Satanism are similar. Atheism might just be Satanism without the supernatural aspect.

Why is it that I feel I'm being ignored when I try to explain what Atheism and Satanism actually are..


I'm listening.



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10 Sep 2008, 8:39 am

Anostic here so I'm in Limbo... 8O


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10 Sep 2008, 8:47 am

Sand wrote:
Whenever snakes talk to me they plead innocence. A rather friendly rattler I met once shook his tail at me and indicated he was not much interested in conversation. Finally, after I had sat very still for a half hour not sure whether to stay still or run like hell, the snake came closer and looked me in the eye.
"Feller", he said, " just don't try to squash me. Most people do and that's very unfriendly."
Then he got a sad expression in his eyes, a difficult thing to do for a snake since his facial capabilities are rather limited.
"You know", he said in a low hiss, " we snakes are easy to get along with. We do a decent job of eating rats and scaring old ladies and wimps like you but we never recommended apples to anybody. Apples taste awful and are very low in protein. My old ancestor recommended eating cows and McDonald's took him up on it and did quite well. Some people, of course, really like rats but frankly I doubt there is much sales appeal in ratburgers. And as far as God is concerned, none of us snakes ever met the guy. The story I heard God invented Adam and Eve and neglected to invent pants and women's underwear. I mean, what did he expect? Anyway, nice having his conversation. Next time, bring a rat."
And he wiggled away.


Lol. I like you. ^.^ :lol:


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10 Sep 2008, 9:38 am

SNAKES AND APPLES

The snake shows sinuosities,
Celebrates the sinister.
Signals salacious suggestions,
Shrouding stated sexualities
In slitherings sinusoidal,
A sustenance of strange satanic
Superiorities.

Apples are appreciated,
Alimentarily acceptable,
Always admired as
Acid or ambrosial
And, alternatively,
Anathema to aspirations
Accounting to
The Almighty.

Snakes and apples, no doubt,
Are odd in combination.
Especially when used to rout
Mankind’s inhabitation
Of his first idyllic spot.
Ah well, I suppose
This first religious blot
With all its consequential woes
Could have been inflicted
By a butterfly with a fig
To have Adam evicted.
Contrariwise, perhaps a pig
Would do to dump the blame
Onto. This then sad swine
To live in consequence in shame
For defying the Divine.
But now it’s snakes that we’re stuck with,
Viper, cobra, rattler, boa,
Slitherers we’ve no luck with.
No doubt all conserved by Noah,
Along with all the rest he’d grapple,
Bats and cats and natch, the apple.



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10 Sep 2008, 9:40 am

Unless you wrote that yourself, you should give some sort of reference.



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10 Sep 2008, 9:59 am

I wrote that myself.