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there is always burden of proof. and the more extraordinary the claim, the more extraordinary the proof will have to be. posting some copy and paste videos is not sufficient.

if you refuse burden of proof you also refuse to legitimize your claims...so then what's the point in making them? hoping that people will blindly follow you? become a priest if you want that.

Grow up.

Ok, I'm being called "immature" by someone who supports murder and genocide so that machines and wipe out humanity. And I need to "grow up"? You need to seek a shrink.

For cryin out loud! You clearly did not carefully read what I wrote. But really, making ad hominem attacks like THAT^ really diminishes ones credibility. I really think you're getting overly worked up and excessively emotional about this whole thing....just a thought.

It isn't an "ad hominem attack", you said machines were needed to correct humans and replace humans. You said this in defence of Chever defending genocide so machines could wipe people out. You said it.

I said machines should Ultimately replace humans. But yes, I did say that machines need to correct human behaviour and put a stop to human ferocity and genocidal tendencies. Yes we have emotions, yes many of us have empathy, but LOOK AT WHAT WE DO TO EACH OTHER AND TO ANIMALS! I think its pretty clear humans DO need to be governed, but not by other humans.

Well this is just my opinion, but, I don't think humans were initially as bad as they've became in civilization.... I mean, the system goes out of it's way to give people their opinions. If people had to look within themselves for answers rather than just going shopping for other peoples' opinions, things would be different..... I mean power corrupts, this is a psychopathic system and that's why all this bad stuff has happened down through history. If people didn't follow psychopathic leaders and didn't go window shopping for other peoples' opinions, and looked within themselves for their answers I don't think it would be as bad.... But this has always been the case as far back as ancient Sumeria. But that's my opinion.

.... I think there's a degree of truth in Gnosticism..... Though I don't entirely believe in any religion...... I believe in spirituality. Gnostism is a pre-christian movement and its origins have been traced to Greek philosophy, astrology, mystery religions, magic and even Indian sources. To know oneself, at the deepest level, is simultaneously to know God; this is the secret of gnosis. Monoimus a gnostic teacher said:

Abandon the search for god and the creation and other matters of similar sort. Look for him by taking yourself as the starting point. Learn who it is within you who makes everything his own and says, "My God, my mind, my thought, my soul, my body." Learn the sources of sorrow, joy, love, hate....If you carefully investigate these matters you will find him in yourself.

To know oneself they claimed, is to know human nature and human destiny. It means being an individual, thinking for oneself, and not following a herd anywhere... Perhaps this is why they were hunted into extinction back in medieval Europe. each of us are a unique individual. There's only one me, there's only one you, there's only one anybody.... This is why it's a personal journey, not a group journey... It's to get to know yourself on a deeper level.

Whoever has not known himself has known nothing, but he who has known himself has at the same time already achieved knowledge about the depths of all things. Whoever explores human experience at the same time discovers devine reality.

I really think you're totally WRONG about civilization making people worse. Yeah, power corrupts, and without civilization power would STILL matter.....But it would be Raw Strength instead of social status. Get rid of civilization and you replace rule of law with the law of the jungle(you know, might makes right).

Not necessarily, look at how many Native American tribes lived peaceful, meaningful, productive lives. Much richer in meaning and wisdom than the Europeans of the time. They stated too in a documentary on History Channel titled "History of civilization", people weren't as hierarchical about social status back in their ancient tribes.... People generally helped each other more to survive. They also (even to this day) in tribes have a wider since of individuality.

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"The unexamined life is not worth living." -- Socrates

"The unexamined faith is not worth believing." -- Me

We've all got our own experiences, I can't give you my experiences and expect you to believe them, anymore than you can give me yours and expect me to believe them. But don't assume I haven't examined life.

Yes.. so very very true..

I thought this was a discussion forum you people are the fucking fact police

My only conclusion about you is that you're completely psychotic. I have no desire to know you on even a forum basis

if you want to discuss fiction then quit trying to present it as fact.