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18 Aug 2011, 1:00 pm
iamnotaparakeet
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18 Aug 2011, 1:04 pm
number5 wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
number5 wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Well, it's true. The economic views you have espoused (both here and in the past) are well to the left not only of the Republicans, but also of the Democrats. The only thing you seem to match up with the GOP on is the whole culture warrior thing, but voting them in doesn't help you on that front since elected Republicans focus on pushing their economic agenda- which hurts you and almost everyone else in this country.
Right, well, whatever. I'm not voting Democrat regardless of your assessment of my views. I rather have RINOs in office than full fledged Democrats with their rhetoric of entitlements and attempts to appeal to the poorly disguised selfishness of their voters.
Selfishness? As compared to the FYIGM (F U, I got mine) philosophy of the Tea Party, that seems to be a strange sentiment.
I have to agree with Orwell here. A maximum wage? I don't even think Bill Maher would come out with that one. I like it, but I'm often pretty far to the left.
A maximum wage would probably be a bad idea if ever implemented, but why not mandate in legal form that the upper and upper-middle management of megacorporations and umbrella companies can only derive so much income off of those under them? They do it by taxation anyway, which just leads to creative accounting, but if it were not through taxation but instead through legislation then perhaps the money that executives leach from those who work under them might have more chance at remaining with those who actually earn the money. However, with how most giant companies are international organizations it probably would fail just on the basis of that.
Spoken like a true socialist
There is currently no sort of legislation or taxation that limits leeching which is probably why it's so rampant in today's economy. I think a lot of the insane compensation packages often consist of large stock shares, so maybe we could enact some sort of legislation requiring that workers be offered a certain percentage of the stock, that way growth is more equally shared.
Socialists would consider the money to be the property of the state, and the resources as well, but I consider that those who earn their money should keep it and that makes me a "socialist"?
What ought to be done is to have better systems of gauging the work being done and those who do the most should earn the most and those who do the least should earn the least.
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18 Aug 2011, 2:31 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
marshall wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
marshall wrote:
The thing is such "high and lofty ideals" as universal healthcare works just fine in other countries who are no more "bankrupt" financially than we are. In any case, I'd rather work to make this country better than move somewhere else. If all the non-right-wingers moved out of this country things would really go to crap. I'm not going to live to see that happen.
Good, then like I said, move there and experience how well they actually work. Don't get me wrong, I think our system sucks too, but so does theirs with the whole system of bureaucracies, infinite waiting while dying, absurd policies that don't allow you to get both privatized and public health which means if the public healthcare system doesn't allow you to have a treatment you need and you get it through private healthcare you then forfeit your access to public health services in total. Everything sucks everywhere, and you yet are willing to think in such myopic terms. Things don't work just fine in places you've never been to, and if you had to be within such systems you'd have disillusionment set in just like with any other thing that we build up in our minds before we see them realized.
Opinion after opinion, poll after poll, shows that people are on the whole more satisfied with their healthcare in countries with universal coverage. Of course things aren't perfect anywhere, but people overwhelmingly agree that their system sucks less than the American system. Are you going to say they are liars? Do you think they are being coerced by their government into saying they like their system better than the private American system? Come on, logic please?
I'm going to say the people conducting the polls were liars, or at very least weren't using good sampling techniques.
. Most conservatives and right wingers I know of are happy with the system. I'm all for the free market but I don't think its suited for healthcare unless its in a limited role or as an alternative
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18 Aug 2011, 4:28 pm
AceOfSpades wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
marshall wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
marshall wrote:
The thing is such "high and lofty ideals" as universal healthcare works just fine in other countries who are no more "bankrupt" financially than we are. In any case, I'd rather work to make this country better than move somewhere else. If all the non-right-wingers moved out of this country things would really go to crap. I'm not going to live to see that happen.
Good, then like I said, move there and experience how well they actually work. Don't get me wrong, I think our system sucks too, but so does theirs with the whole system of bureaucracies, infinite waiting while dying, absurd policies that don't allow you to get both privatized and public health which means if the public healthcare system doesn't allow you to have a treatment you need and you get it through private healthcare you then forfeit your access to public health services in total. Everything sucks everywhere, and you yet are willing to think in such myopic terms. Things don't work just fine in places you've never been to, and if you had to be within such systems you'd have disillusionment set in just like with any other thing that we build up in our minds before we see them realized.
Opinion after opinion, poll after poll, shows that people are on the whole more satisfied with their healthcare in countries with universal coverage. Of course things aren't perfect anywhere, but people overwhelmingly agree that their system sucks less than the American system. Are you going to say they are liars? Do you think they are being coerced by their government into saying they like their system better than the private American system? Come on, logic please?
I'm going to say the people conducting the polls were liars, or at very least weren't using good sampling techniques.
. Most conservatives and right wingers I know of are happy with the system. I'm all for the free market but I don't think its suited for healthcare unless its in a limited role or as an alternativeMy friend's roommate holds down a job, but can't afford the gallbladder surgery his doctor told him he needs, let alone health insurance. So much for our current state of health care.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
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