Gun "control" - to protect or disarm the citizens?

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What is your opinion on gun laws?

The only good gun law is the Second Amendment	29%	[ 31 ]
The only good gun law is the Second Amendment	29%	[ 31 ]
There should be some kind of control but not as severe as in Europe	8%	[ 8 ]
There should be some kind of control but not as severe as in Europe	8%	[ 8 ]
There should be a license but not harder to get than the driving license	5%	[ 5 ]
There should be a license but not harder to get than the driving license	5%	[ 5 ]
Guns only belong in shooting clubs or by hunting	6%	[ 6 ]
Guns only belong in shooting clubs or by hunting	6%	[ 6 ]
I'm a total coward, outlaw every gun for civilians	3%	[ 3 ]
I'm a total coward, outlaw every gun for civilians	3%	[ 3 ]

Total votes : 106

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22 Oct 2006, 8:41 pm

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Women. Even though they're aspies they don't deny themselves. :wink:

Yeah, logic was never a strong famale suit!!

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22 Oct 2006, 10:16 pm

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... Then I grew up. Guns have no good use to humanity at all in any country....

Shame you grew up and forgot some things are just fun.

Ski resorts and downhill skiing serve no use to humanity and just burn lots of fossil fuel for the amusement of those with money to spend on such frivolous pursuits.

What's wrong with target shooting, just for fun, or taking a Jack Russell on a fox hunt, as they were bred for and their instincts crave?

And just because you may have achieved a high level of enlightenment, why deny me my ancient instincts to hunt?

Skiing is possibly more universally thought of as a fun activity compared to, say, hunting...

Again, I still do not deny your rights to target shoot, or to hunt foxes (they're pests in Australia, anyway, aren't they Bazza?).

However, what are we if we cannot defy our instinct to hunt and kill?

Due to my bout of necrophobia, I am fairly horrified at the concept of killing living things, though not so much I want to be a vegetarian, or not squash flies or mozzies or ants when they irritate me....

On a related subject, for those who know, are there really tranquilizer versions of certain pistols (Beretta M9 and Mk22 Hush Puppy) like in the Metal Gear Solid games?

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22 Oct 2006, 10:47 pm

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However, what are we if we cannot defy our instinct to hunt and kill?

Hypocrites

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On a related subject, for those who know, are there really tranquilizer versions of certain pistols (Beretta M9 and Mk22 Hush Puppy) like in the Metal Gear Solid games?

Don't think so. My brother is a vet and he has a tranquiliser gun. They are very tightly controlled. Looks more like a shotgun.

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22 Oct 2006, 11:53 pm

Beretta's web site does not indicate they make any tranquilizer guns

www.beretta.com

www.berettausa.com

www.berettaaustralia.com

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23 Oct 2006, 12:03 am

I meant modified....

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23 Oct 2006, 1:22 am

BazzaMcKenzie wrote:

Beretta's web site does not indicate they make any tranquilizer guns

www.beretta.com

www.berettausa.com

www.berettaaustralia.com

Yeah I had the idea to make solid projectile out of a sleep inducing compound sorounded
by a plastic sabot. Fired out of a real MP5/HK94 carbine but to allow real blowback
operation the bolt carrier would be made out of strong fiber reenforced nylon(instead steel) to allow
a small propellent charge and enable subsonic sound suppressing action. The project
killer was the fact sleep inducing agents in a life or death situation would be useless.
They would not take effect fast enough or reliable enough.

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23 Oct 2006, 8:58 am

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25 Oct 2006, 1:52 pm

Dear People of the World:

Guns exist. Removing them is a super duper idea, but is completely unrealistic.

I will humour you and assume you actually found a way to rid of 600 years worth of guns. Now that you got rid of the "physical" weapon, remove the idea of a gun. Can't happen.

The idea exist, much like creating fire. We can remove all the lighters in the world but the idea that we can create fire still exists.

As well, criminals obtain their weapons through illegal means. Creating a new law won't do anything new as they will still simply be breaking laws.

Guns dont kill people, people kill people. Its a statement thats overused but true. The gun did nothing, its nothing more then an idea, turned into a tool, turned into a means to kill someone. If a bat was there, it would be used. Murder existed before the invention of guns. Pussifying the world will only make it angry - You CANNOT force anyone to do ANYTHING or else all the commie nations in the world would be democratic by now.

Say no to ANY ban

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25 Oct 2006, 2:42 pm

Hear, hear!

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25 Oct 2006, 5:08 pm

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Guns dont kill people, people kill people. Its a statement thats overused but true. The gun did nothing, its nothing more then an idea, turned into a tool, turned into a means to kill someone. If a bat was there, it would be used. Murder existed before the invention of guns. Pussifying the world will only make it angry - You CANNOT force anyone to do ANYTHING or else all the commie nations in the world would be democratic by now.

Say no to ANY ban

Why not just increase the punishment dramatically for anybody who brandishes and/or uses a firearm during a crime? Anybody who so much as reveals a firearm shows a tremendous lack of respect for the life of another human being.

Firearms are typically known for their highly destructive uses. As such, yeah I do think that guns should be highly regulated. In the same way, purchase and use of radioactive materials are highly regulated.

I don't have any problems with target shooting, or shooting animals for survival/sustenance or for culling. But it's a totally different situation altogether to me to kill things for fun. People can make the argument about satisfying some basic instinct to hunt, but the problem with this argument is that animals don't hunt for enjoyment. They hunt for subsistence. To hunt for enjoyment would be wasteful energy expenditure on the part of the predator.

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25 Oct 2006, 5:17 pm

Actually, I'm against hunting for enjoyment, but I'm for guns for self protection, without any regulations whatsoever.

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25 Oct 2006, 5:31 pm

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Simple:

What will that do? It'll punish people and throw them away forever where I can either pay for their existence through tax money or use capitol punishment, which then is just me saying "Ya, go ahead, kill him because its ok despite the fact I am against killing people" (not saying you are)

Punishment does little to actually deter anyone. As far as punishments go, they are pretty much worthless. I wont get into the detail because I'm still working on solutions to some crimes (a theft punishment may be repayment of what was stolen or working it off, sort of deal)

Punishments do nothing, bans do nothing, it all starts at the individual, specifically, the mind, and thats where society must focus their energy

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25 Oct 2006, 5:35 pm

You're a wise man, Corvus.

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25 Oct 2006, 8:43 pm

Corvus wrote:

What will that do? It'll punish people and throw them away forever where I can either pay for their existence through tax money or use capitol punishment, which then is just me saying "Ya, go ahead, kill him because its ok despite the fact I am against killing people" (not saying you are)

This assumes either incarceration or capital punishment indeed. I'm not in favor of long-term incarcerations; I don't think those do anything.

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Punishment does little to actually deter anyone. As far as punishments go, they are pretty much worthless. I wont get into the detail because I'm still working on solutions to some crimes (a theft punishment may be repayment of what was stolen or working it off, sort of deal)

I think this might be because the punishments (particularly incarceration) are inappropriate. If society can institute punishments in the way that it uses taxation, then actually punishments could do a lot to curb crime. How does this work? Governments use taxation such as tariffs on imported goods, so that domestically-manufactured goods will be cheaper, and hence consumers will be more inclined to buy domestic. In the end this causes people to buy domestic over imported products. Similarly, if the government actually made punishments such that the punishments would not make the crime even worth committing, then the inclination to do the crime would go down. What kind of punishments would these be? It's something to think about. Probably a better option would be that discussed below:

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Punishments do nothing, bans do nothing, it all starts at the individual, specifically, the mind, and thats where society must focus their energy

I do agree that society does need to spend its resources on fixing the problems that cause people to commit crimes in the first place. If you want to fix the mind, specifically, then education is the best bet. Sadly, the average level of education in the US sucks ass!!

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25 Oct 2006, 9:05 pm

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I don't think those do anything.

Solutions the are the only goal and anything not working should be removed. Its logical.

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Same for Canadian, it blows. The only time I did well was when I learned on my own.

I can't believe that there is so much knowledge on the mind yet nothing is ever focused on it. For some reason, this year, I became SUPER focused on the mind. I can't believe what its taught me and I *WISH* I knew this in school.

We all know why things like theft exist - class society. Unequal opportunities.

Murder, well, numerous reasons from drugs to, again, classed society. The list goes on and its that list that will tell us how to reduce crime the best!

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