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07 Feb 2022, 12:49 pm

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Didn't trump add the most to the national debt of any president ever? 7 Trillion dollars or something ? I'd rate that as a giant F up.

I believe that was Franklin Roosevelt ( $236,143,514,849.78 in 12 years ), Obama in 2nd ($8,335,071,012,541.80 in 8 years ) , Trump 3rd ($6,807,290,102,465.77 in 4 years).

That Roosevelt number is far smaller than the others.
Obama's was over 8 years.
So, trump did plunge the country into debt farther and faster than any other American president - 7 trillskis in 4 years is a lot of moula.

According to the link:

Roosevelt increased the national debt by 1047.73 %.

Obama increased the national debt by 69.98 %.
Trump increased the national debt by 472%.

You have to take into consideration the Covid pandemic that began during Trump's presidency. You also have to consider the economic depression of the 1930s during Roosevelt's reign, and the New Deal which was passed to address it.

I'm not sure what your point is, to be honest.

Easier to add a higher % to a lower number (Roosevelt).

Point is trump gave a ~$2 Trillion tax cut to the wealthy and tacked it onto the national debt because He IS the swamp.

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07 Feb 2022, 12:49 pm

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Yeah....why do people want Trump, anyway?

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07 Feb 2022, 1:11 pm

goldfish21 wrote:

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Didn't trump add the most to the national debt of any president ever? 7 Trillion dollars or something ? I'd rate that as a giant F up.

I believe that was Franklin Roosevelt ( $236,143,514,849.78 in 12 years ), Obama in 2nd ($8,335,071,012,541.80 in 8 years ) , Trump 3rd ($6,807,290,102,465.77 in 4 years).

Easier to add a higher % to a lower number (Roosevelt).

Point is trump gave a ~$2 Trillion tax cut to the wealthy and tacked it onto the national debt because He IS the swamp.

I've never been that great at math, but you must be even worse. If you divide Roosevelt's number by three -- he was only three months into his fourth term when he died -- it's still higher than the other's mentioned. It's all rather irrelevant anyway to the discussion anyway. The fact remains that Clinton, Bush, and Obama did far worse damage to this country that Trump. If you'd to further discuss that, I'd be happy to.

Trump did not drain the swamp like he promised, but neither has Biden. To say "He IS the swamp is just ridiculous. The swamp was around long before Trump arrived and will continue well into the future as long as Americans are stupid enough to vote for Democrats and Republicans.

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07 Feb 2022, 1:18 pm

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Yeah....why do people want Trump, anyway?

Well according the DNC and Podesta Leaks, Hillary Clinton specifically wanted Trump because he was one of a trio of Republican candidates judged to be utterly unelectable.

Which is why she discreetly boosted Trumps campaign for the RNC nomination.

https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hi ... -strategy/

Salon article wrote:

Republican Donald Trump, a far-right demagogue who campaigned on a slew of bigoted, xenophobic policies, has won the 2016 presidential election in a shocking victory few people predicted.

What was not often acknowledged in Trump's heated race against Democrat Hillary Clinton, however, was how her campaign fueled his rise to power.

An email recently released by the whistleblowing organization WikiLeaks shows how the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party bear direct responsibility for propelling the bigoted billionaire to the White House.

In its self-described "pied piper" strategy, the Clinton campaign proposed intentionally cultivating extreme right-wing presidential candidates, hoping to turn them into the new "mainstream of the Republican Party" in order to try to increase Clinton's chances of winning.
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The strategy backfired — royally.

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07 Feb 2022, 1:19 pm

VegetableMan wrote:

goldfish21 wrote:

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goldfish21 wrote:

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goldfish21 wrote:

Didn't trump add the most to the national debt of any president ever? 7 Trillion dollars or something ? I'd rate that as a giant F up.

I believe that was Franklin Roosevelt ( $236,143,514,849.78 in 12 years ), Obama in 2nd ($8,335,071,012,541.80 in 8 years ) , Trump 3rd ($6,807,290,102,465.77 in 4 years).

Easier to add a higher % to a lower number (Roosevelt).

Point is trump gave a ~$2 Trillion tax cut to the wealthy and tacked it onto the national debt because He IS the swamp.

Wut? In absolute dollars Roosevelt is way lower. Billions vs. Trillions. As for %, if I have $100 in debt and it goes up to $1100 in debt, I've added 1,000% -> but still only $1000. Like I said earlier, it's way easier to add a high % when you're dealing with a low number to begin with.

trump is the swap.

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07 Feb 2022, 1:20 pm

I think Bill Clinton actually encouraged Trump to run. That's just hilarious!

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07 Feb 2022, 1:44 pm

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I think Bill Clinton actually encouraged Trump to run. That's just hilarious!

He probably thought trump would embarrass himself.. and he was right!

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07 Feb 2022, 2:05 pm

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I think Bill Clinton actually encouraged Trump to run. That's just hilarious!

He probably thought trump would embarrass himself.. and he was right!

Well, yeah...and that Hillary, who was a problematic candidate who had a real likeability issue, could easily win. Turns out they were very wrong, eh?

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07 Feb 2022, 5:47 pm

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I don't know if it qualifies as "being abusive." Depends how you define that. To me it just shows that the man's attitude is straight from the gutter. I couldn't like a man who said things like that. He also admits to trying to hump a married woman. It's possibly forgivable from a teenager who hasn't grown up yet. But how old was he when that recording was made?

He defended himself by playing it down as "locker talk" that he didn't really mean. Doesn't quite fit with the fact that he cheated on his wife. He also says Bill Clinton was worse. Well, Bill Clinton got thrown out when the truth came to light. And it's beside the point. Boris Johnson probably has more integrity than Hitler, but that doesn't mean Boris Johnson is fit to run a country. Politicians often do that trick of pointing to somebody who was also guilty. It doesn't make them innocent. I don't want to vote for dirty old men.

I've been thinking, are people perhaps too offended by Trump saying the 'grab her by the p^%$sy' because Trump is a man saying it? I feel that if a female President candidate said something like that 'grab him by the c%^k', most guys would not be offended by that and a lot of them would probably think it would be kind of hot for a woman in power to say something like that. So are people extra offended by such a line, if it's a man saying it?

A lot of hetro men are turned on by that type of thing but in person or in the movies. Unlike Trump, a women candidate who did that would be labeled a slut and gold digger and forced to withdraw her candidacy.

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08 Feb 2022, 1:43 am

Oh okay, but why do men only like that type in the movies? If real women were to act like that, wouldn't men want that possible attention, rather than drive such women away? But also, what if a female Presidential candidate who acted like that with men was a democrat? Wouldn't she be seen as a heroine for being progressive in a male world, democratically speaking?

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12 Feb 2022, 12:10 pm

Unlike the Justin Trudeau and Joe Biden of North America, Trump was wanting to work through the pandemic and not get on his knees in front of the W.H.O. and the U.N. - Donald Trump, he has his flaws, he has many, but he wanted to block the plandemic from affecting the United States Of America. Trump was not powerful enough to oppose to Billy "the Gator" Gates. Trump only owns so much money, which he can only control a few people, where most humans blindly go where the money is at. Anyway, back to the basics, Let's go Brandon!! !

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12 Feb 2022, 3:25 pm

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It would be an interesting experiment, but as a generalisation I think supporters of the left are more put off by signs of loose moral standards than supporters of the right are. OTOH, the election of Trump appears to show that the USA is becoming a coarser society than it used to be, so maybe the era of higher social motives is on its way out.

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12 Feb 2022, 3:29 pm

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Trump was wanting to work through the pandemic

Boris Johnson in the UK had the same idea, and it nearly killed him.

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14 Feb 2022, 12:28 pm

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But people on the left are more open to casual sex and the free love movement so wouldn't they be open to sexually loose female politicians therefore?

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14 Feb 2022, 1:50 pm

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But people on the left are more open to casual sex and the free love movement so wouldn't they be open to sexually loose female politicians therefore?

The Left is rather a broad church. They don't necessarily have a more liberal attitude to sexuality than the Right. Historically, grass-roots feminists called for "votes for women and chastity for men." More recently the Left has embraced a hard line on sexual harrassment and child porn. Back in the Swinging 60s there may have been a difference such as you describe, but I think the Left has moved on from that now.

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14 Feb 2022, 1:53 pm

Yeah...don't generalize the Left!

There are "rightists" out there who are into "free love"----trust me on that!

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