Is Sexual Orientation Actively Changable?

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18 Aug 2007, 3:28 am

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Ragtime wrote:

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The problem is that you follow the Bible in a similar mentality as the people who did at that period of time

Thank you.

You're welcome, even though you didn't understand the point I was trying to make, very likely, at least you take it as a compliment. That's ok.

I like your avatar - i have seen every episode of Quantum Leap.

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18 Aug 2007, 3:43 am

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Believe me, I've had awesome, mind-blowing, heart-attack inducing sex, and I've served in ministry that God has given me -- and ministry is better, hands down. You've had the first (I assume), but you've never done the second, so you're out of the know here. There is simply no amount of physical/emotional/intellectual stimulation that can reach the total awesomeness of the genuine spiritual fulfillment of being in sync with your Creator. Life just DOESN'T GET better than that! That's why I'm willing to renounce sex for ministry -- 'cause ministry's way better, both for the good of others and for personal fulfillment.

I think if I had sex which induced damage to
my heart, I'd give it up too.

And no, I've had love, which I'm not sure that
you really have, given the way you put things,
outside of your love of a construct of your mind.

Hell, it's really the same thing, IMHO.

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18 Aug 2007, 3:45 am

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OMGosh, why would I prolong the torment of being spiritually dead?

Because torment is beautiful,
and it sounds as though one would
have to give it up forever.

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18 Aug 2007, 3:49 am

Ragtime wrote:

God has no tyranny, and He's nothing if not completely relevant.

The type of paternalism implied IS tyranny.
Plain and simple.

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Heh, not if they've got demons. You're joining yourself intimately with that person; that's begging, BEGGING for trouble.

Or the ability to help.
Much better than callously
standing above, and proclaiming
who's naughty and nice.

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Sounds just like your spiritual father, Satan. Small wonder.

Don't try and confuse me with a follower
of anyone. I have allies. No more.

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18 Aug 2007, 10:50 am

[quote="calandale"][/quote]
i like your avatar, that\'s a nice birdie.

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18 Aug 2007, 11:03 am

God is a homosexual.

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18 Aug 2007, 2:40 pm

calandale wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

God and ministry are all about love; that's the whole point.

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18 Aug 2007, 2:40 pm

calandale wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

OMGosh, why would I prolong the torment of being spiritually dead?

Because torment is beautiful,
and it sounds as though one would
have to give it up forever.

There's always Hell if you like torment.

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18 Aug 2007, 2:47 pm

Ragtime wrote:

calandale wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

OMGosh, why would I prolong the torment of being spiritually dead?

Because torment is beautiful,
and it sounds as though one would
have to give it up forever.

There's always Hell if you like torment.

that or we could look at that avatar of yours.
Is that you ? Are you nude ?

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18 Aug 2007, 3:22 pm

PrupQon wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

calandale wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

OMGosh, why would I prolong the torment of being spiritually dead?

Because torment is beautiful,
and it sounds as though one would
have to give it up forever.

There's always Hell if you like torment.

that or we could look at that avatar of yours.

ROFLMAO!

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18 Aug 2007, 10:06 pm

Dude this is total bull, ragtime is just being an ignorant, hypocritical redneck theocrat so-called "Christian". Throughout the history of the world, people like him use their bible to hold other people down. First it was the crusades, the inquisition, the reign of Charlemaigne, the witch trials, the halucaust, slavery, and now, the re-emergence of the crusades, crushing gay rights, the rights of other religions, sexual rights, hell the only reason we're not using cloning technology to stop hunger is because the Vatican deems it "an evil to play god" even though it could save millions of lives.
And what do they do? Well their efforts are damn near waving a twinky in starvn' marvin's face asking him constantly "are you christian yet?".
Gay people are gay, just like we're autistic (well some of us). I don't see why the theocrats seem to care so much unless theyr insecure in their own sexuality. What business is it of yours raggy who the hell Bob the truck driver is sleeping with? I ask you that as a straight man myself, there are clearly bigger issues to focus on than bob and lou's sex life together.
Lets assume Jesus WAS the "son of god", I'd seriously doubt he'd want people trampling the rights of others in his name. Your personal religious beliefs are NOT a frame work to be forced onto secular society through legislature or political policies, America is NOT a theocracy. Get over it. If you wanna live in a theocratic Christian nation, move to Italy, more specifically Vatican City. Or if you wanna learn what it's like being forcibly subjugated to someone else's belief systems, move to Iran.

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18 Aug 2007, 10:09 pm

I bow to your words

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18 Aug 2007, 10:48 pm

Yup, couldnt have said it better myself.

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19 Aug 2007, 10:33 am

snake321 wrote:

America is NOT a theocracy. Get over it. If you wanna live in a theocratic Christian nation, move to Italy, more specifically Vatican City. Or if you wanna learn what it's like being forcibly subjugated to someone else's belief systems, move to Iran.

Yeah, Ragtime needs to try living under someone else's s**t so he can see what it is he wants to impose on other people.

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19 Aug 2007, 10:44 am

Sopho wrote:

snake321 wrote:

Yeah, Ragtime needs to try living under someone else's sh** so he can see what it is he wants to impose on other people.

Ragtime is too far brainwashed to see the perspectives of others.

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19 Aug 2007, 10:49 am

amen (get it) lol
yes, he only see's his side and his side alone
he refuses to see the other side
when anyone mentions homosexuality he goes right to naysaying the sexulal aspect
its always the same arguments with him

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