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10 Sep 2008, 10:03 am

Very good alliteration. :)



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10 Sep 2008, 10:13 am

slowmutant wrote:
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The spirit of atheism and Satanism are similar. Atheism might just be Satanism without the supernatural aspect.

Why is it that I feel I'm being ignored when I try to explain what Atheism and Satanism actually are..


I'm listening.

Atheism and Satanism are practically two different worlds, though only one version of Satanism from what I know isn't supernatural and could be deemed Atheistic in the same sense that Buddhism can be argued as Atheistic. The spirit of Satanism overall is to be selfish and maybe even cruel, while there is no definite spirit of Atheism and most Atheists are very moral and good people. Assuming you know the technical differences between Atheism and Satanism (if not look earlier in this thread, I've posted it twice, if not three times) I don't need to explain the reasons why literately they're unrelated.



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10 Sep 2008, 10:28 am

How does atheism make a person "good" or morally upright? Where does the guidance come from?



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10 Sep 2008, 10:44 am

It's quite evident that the guidance that makes what is accepted as a good person can be from many sources. Although religion frequently claims it is the only source for decent behavior history has proven that not only is religion very frequently ineffective in producing decency in a person, very often it provides the justification for frightful behavior.



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10 Sep 2008, 10:49 am

slowmutant wrote:
How does atheism make a person "good" or morally upright? Where does the guidance come from?


Atheism itself does not make a person good or upright any more than religion makes a person healthy.

Why do societies that do not believe in god (or which believe in many gods) still have laws against murder, theft, etc?? Because we don't need to have a theoretical belief in a theoretical being to recognize that it is wrong to do certain things. Do you need some idea of God or words written in a holy book to tell you not to torture a dog? Or can you simply know it is wrong because you have observed dogs and know that the pain they can feel is similar to your pain?



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10 Sep 2008, 10:49 am

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What about how God hates queers

Can we execute them?


You have free will.



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10 Sep 2008, 10:53 am

Doubtful.



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10 Sep 2008, 11:05 am

slowmutant wrote:
How does atheism make a person "good" or morally upright? Where does the guidance come from?

In a sense the immoral parts of a religion, such as the immoral parts of Christianity aren't present in Atheism so you're actually less likely to be immoral by not following that book in a sense. But in reality, morals and religion aren't linked. Culture and morals are however linked, as a child you learn from the people around you, that is where you get your morals from. Atheism doesn't make a person good or morally upright, and neither does religion, and neither certainly provide any form of guidance, in this age anyhow. Thinking that since an Atheist has no fear of going to hell is going to make that person evil is quite wrong, just because you know you're not going to spend the rest of forever burning in a lake of fire doesn't invite hateful behavior, looking at it from a natural perspective why do you think most animals aren't attacking each other and such? They learn being nice to one another makes them more successful in surviving, same is true with humanity. Go out and kill a bunch of people and steal things, you're not going to survive all that great, why? It pisses off your fellow members of your species, and for most social species that's not a good place to be in. In general I don't believe that anyone is 'good' or 'evil' but to communicate with someone who does believe that people are either good or evil I have to reword myself.



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10 Sep 2008, 11:07 am

BS BS BS



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10 Sep 2008, 11:11 am

slowmutant wrote:
BS BS BS

...
Erm, and how exactly is it BS?



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10 Sep 2008, 2:30 pm

slowmutant wrote:
chever wrote:
What about how God hates queers

Can we execute them?


You have free will.




Can you Prove this?



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10 Sep 2008, 2:40 pm

Haliphron wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
chever wrote:
What about how God hates queers

Can we execute them?


You have free will.




Can you Prove this?


You just did. :wink:



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10 Sep 2008, 2:52 pm

slowmutant wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
chever wrote:
What about how God hates queers

Can we execute them?


You have free will.




Can you Prove this?


You just did. :wink:


Given that there are STRONG statistical patterns in human behaviour and that human behaviour is suprisingly predictable;
there clearly are limits on how much free will we actually have.



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10 Sep 2008, 2:53 pm

Yea! More deterministic crap!



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10 Sep 2008, 2:57 pm

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Yea! More deterministic crap!



During the last 100 years, science has discovered that non-determinism is present at the classical level in VERY minimal amounts, if at all. Only on the quantum scale is nondeterminism observed frequently. If we do have free will than there must be some quantum effects in the human brain, which have YET to be observed.



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10 Sep 2008, 3:02 pm

Quantum effects are random. Not free will.