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29 Sep 2008, 8:32 pm

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I really think you're totally WRONG about civilization making people worse. Yeah, power corrupts, and without civilization power would STILL matter.....But it would be Raw Strength instead of social status. Get rid of civilization and you replace rule of law with the law of the jungle(you know, might makes right).


Not necessarily, look at how many Native American tribes lived peaceful, meaningful, productive lives. Much richer in meaning and wisdom than the Europeans of the time. They stated too in a documentary on History Channel titled "History of civilization", people weren't as hierarchical about social status back in their ancient tribes.... People generally helped each other more to survive. They also (even to this day) in tribes have a wider since of individuality.


Yes.. so very very true..


How can you agree with that? Its facts gathered from the written history of the NWO. You said it yourself: they control television.

Selective belief set? Poor memory?


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30 Sep 2008, 8:42 am

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I thought this was a discussion forum :roll: you people are the fucking fact police


Well, isn't that an interesting perspective?

If you are talking values, we can talk values. You prefer Pepsi to Coke? Ok, I like Coke with Chinese food, but I occasionally drink Pepsi.

If you are making unusual factual assertions ("a vast conspiracy exists that controls the weather"), then expect your 'facts' to be examined and challenged.



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30 Sep 2008, 2:00 pm

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Well this is just my opinion, but, I don't think humans were initially as bad as they've became in civilization.... I mean, the system goes out of it's way to give people their opinions. If people had to look within themselves for answers rather than just going shopping for other peoples' opinions, things would be different..... I mean power corrupts, this is a psychopathic system and that's why all this bad stuff has happened down through history. If people didn't follow psychopathic leaders and didn't go window shopping for other peoples' opinions, and looked within themselves for their answers I don't think it would be as bad.... But this has always been the case as far back as ancient Sumeria. But that's my opinion.


I really think you're totally WRONG about civilization making people worse. Yeah, power corrupts, and without civilization power would STILL matter.....But it would be Raw Strength instead of social status. Get rid of civilization and you replace rule of law with the law of the jungle(you know, might makes right).


Not necessarily, look at how many Native American tribes lived peaceful, meaningful, productive lives. Much richer in meaning and wisdom than the Europeans of the time. They stated too in a documentary on History Channel titled "History of civilization", people weren't as hierarchical about social status back in their ancient tribes.... People generally helped each other more to survive. They also (even to this day) in tribes have a wider since of individuality.


Yes.. so very very true..


Define "meaning" and "wisdom" in this context? Also, examine the obvious flaw in their civilisation.. it failed to withstand the encroachment of another, different civilisation. Their way might well be the best way to live, or the closest to nature, or any number of other things.. but if its going to collapse when challenged, then its not going to last.


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01 Oct 2008, 10:31 pm

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I definitely don't need this forum if I want to feel like sh** all day I'll just walk around outside in my underwear, in the rain


Pix plz


Lol, Chever gets a boner looking at boys with their pants off. Especially those little 5 yr olds :lol:


Where did I mention wanting to look at five year old boys in states of undress?

Sounds like you are projecting.

I just want to see a poor bastard marching around in the pouring rain.

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It isn't an "ad hominem attack", you said machines were needed to correct humans and replace humans. You said this in defence of Chever defending genocide so machines could wipe people out. You said it.


I'm going to be a doctor in a few short years. Where should I apply my skills: military industrial complex or civil projects? Depends on how people treat me now. You decide, punk.


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02 Oct 2008, 3:17 am

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I'm going to be a doctor in a few short years. Where should I apply my skills: military industrial complex or civil projects? Depends on how people treat me now. You decide, punk.


Sorry, that form of blackmail doesn't work with me. I think it doesn't matter if you draw some flack on internet discussion groups; you still have a responsibility for your own actions. Shall we start pardoning murderers because they got poor toilet training? I think not.

Also, you seem to think that you are the only one clever enough to keep the military industrial complex from falling apart and becoming a force for peace? Don't flatter yourself. It isn't clear that weapons or the MI complex itself is inherently bad - it depends on how it is used. And if you go into the MIC, you will be a cog in a wheel, dealing with time sheets and cost over-runs on a large project involving the collaboration of many people.

GTG now - some of my stem cells can't decide if they should differentiate as hepatocytes or as macrophages. ;)



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02 Oct 2008, 9:20 am

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Sorry, that form of blackmail doesn't work with me. I think it doesn't matter if you draw some flack on internet discussion groups; you still have a responsibility for your own actions.


As long as there are no civil or criminal penalties: no I don't. And industrial killing is 100% legal.

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And if yo go into the MIC, you will be a cog in a wheel, dealing with time sheets and cost over-runs on a large project involving the collaboration of many people.


Of course. Everyone counts, down to the guy who drives napalm to the depot (which is why they attempted to get in the drivers' way during the Vietnam war). That's not even skilled labor.

Alle beetjes helpen, zei de mug, en ze piste in de zee. (Every last bit helps, said the mosquito, pissing into the sea.)

Of course, if I manage to do good research and continue to apply myself as I am now, my piss might be longer than the average piss. If you'll excuse mixing toilet metaphors, it's only a matter of time before the shit hits the fan; I just want to help everyone get there faster.


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02 Oct 2008, 9:48 am

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Sorry, that form of blackmail doesn't work with me. I think it doesn't matter if you draw some flack on internet discussion groups; you still have a responsibility for your own actions.


As long as there are no civil or criminal penalties: no I don't. And industrial killing is 100% legal.

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And if yo go into the MIC, you will be a cog in a wheel, dealing with time sheets and cost over-runs on a large project involving the collaboration of many people.


Of course. Everyone counts, down to the guy who drives napalm to the depot (which is why they attempted to get in the drivers' way during the Vietnam war). That's not even skilled labor.

Alle beetjes helpen, zei de mug, en ze piste in de zee. (Every last bit helps, said the mosquito, pissing into the sea.)

Of course, if I manage to do good research and continue to apply myself as I am now, my piss might be longer than the average piss. If you'll excuse mixing toilet metaphors, it's only a matter of time before the shit hits the fan; I just want to help everyone get there faster.


Become a member of the MIC then suggests that they start spraying chemicals from aircraft! Self-fulfilling prophecy and nobody will ever think its true because nobody ever actually does double-bluff.


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02 Oct 2008, 10:39 am

All this nonsense about 'chemtrails' is going to look very small in years to come.

If people want to believe in chemtrails, fuggit, I'm not going to argue with them anymore. Better that they're distracted.


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02 Oct 2008, 11:12 am

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Sorry, that form of blackmail doesn't work with me. I think it doesn't matter if you draw some flack on internet discussion groups; you still have a responsibility for your own actions.


As long as there are no civil or criminal penalties: no I don't. And industrial killing is 100% legal.



That's possibly the most sociopathic thing I've heard this week.



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02 Oct 2008, 11:28 am

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That's possibly the most sociopathic thing I've heard this week.


Hopefully, it will be the most sociopathic thing you've heard this year.

Cuz, uh ... yeah ... that's what real hatin is all about, man.


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02 Oct 2008, 4:42 pm

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there is no burden of proof actually



there is always burden of proof. and the more extraordinary the claim, the more extraordinary the proof will have to be. posting some copy and paste videos is not sufficient.

if you refuse burden of proof you also refuse to legitimize your claims...so then what's the point in making them? hoping that people will blindly follow you? become a priest if you want that.


I thought this was a discussion forum :roll: you people are the fucking fact police



if you want to discuss fiction then quit trying to present it as fact.


I've tried that, I got the exact same response or worse. I say it clearly that it is merely opinion, and I still get bombarded by the fact police.. there is no difference.



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02 Oct 2008, 4:43 pm

Fuzzy wrote:
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I really think you're totally WRONG about civilization making people worse. Yeah, power corrupts, and without civilization power would STILL matter.....But it would be Raw Strength instead of social status. Get rid of civilization and you replace rule of law with the law of the jungle(you know, might makes right).


Not necessarily, look at how many Native American tribes lived peaceful, meaningful, productive lives. Much richer in meaning and wisdom than the Europeans of the time. They stated too in a documentary on History Channel titled "History of civilization", people weren't as hierarchical about social status back in their ancient tribes.... People generally helped each other more to survive. They also (even to this day) in tribes have a wider since of individuality.


Yes.. so very very true..


How can you agree with that? Its facts gathered from the written history of the NWO. You said it yourself: they control television.

Selective belief set? Poor memory?


Because it's true.. not because it was on tv.



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02 Oct 2008, 4:45 pm

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I thought this was a discussion forum :roll: you people are the fucking fact police


Well, isn't that an interesting perspective?

If you are talking values, we can talk values. You prefer Pepsi to Coke? Ok, I like Coke with Chinese food, but I occasionally drink Pepsi.

If you are making unusual factual assertions ("a vast conspiracy exists that controls the weather"), then expect your 'facts' to be examined and challenged.


What the fuck kind of response is that, seriously?.. do you know what you sound like?.. you are using pure debate tactics to draw your own little psychotic conclusions.. do you know what plain speaking is?.. the thing i notice with all of you is that you don't speak plainly, you dont say it like it is, you avoid it in fact by talking in circles and coming up with these crazy analogies that may not have any real relevance..



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02 Oct 2008, 4:47 pm

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Well this is just my opinion, but, I don't think humans were initially as bad as they've became in civilization.... I mean, the system goes out of it's way to give people their opinions. If people had to look within themselves for answers rather than just going shopping for other peoples' opinions, things would be different..... I mean power corrupts, this is a psychopathic system and that's why all this bad stuff has happened down through history. If people didn't follow psychopathic leaders and didn't go window shopping for other peoples' opinions, and looked within themselves for their answers I don't think it would be as bad.... But this has always been the case as far back as ancient Sumeria. But that's my opinion.


I really think you're totally WRONG about civilization making people worse. Yeah, power corrupts, and without civilization power would STILL matter.....But it would be Raw Strength instead of social status. Get rid of civilization and you replace rule of law with the law of the jungle(you know, might makes right).


Not necessarily, look at how many Native American tribes lived peaceful, meaningful, productive lives. Much richer in meaning and wisdom than the Europeans of the time. They stated too in a documentary on History Channel titled "History of civilization", people weren't as hierarchical about social status back in their ancient tribes.... People generally helped each other more to survive. They also (even to this day) in tribes have a wider since of individuality.


Yes.. so very very true..


Define "meaning" and "wisdom" in this context? Also, examine the obvious flaw in their civilisation.. it failed to withstand the encroachment of another, different civilisation. Their way might well be the best way to live, or the closest to nature, or any number of other things.. but if its going to collapse when challenged, then its not going to last.


So what truly went wrong in history then?.. I'm not saying we should be a native nature tribe, but I think we should live in harmony with nature, not against it. Not to mention, civilization is toxic..



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02 Oct 2008, 7:25 pm

And you say this on the Internet.

Go live with the Inuits if you feel that civilization is garbage.

(Technically speaking, it is toxic ... but whether that's beneficial depends on your perspective.)


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03 Oct 2008, 1:54 am

Im so Sick of the "noble savage" Bullshit regarding tribal cultures. Only naive white folks would actually believe it since they have NO F*CKING IDEA whatsoever of what its really like. Tribal societies ARE hierarchical! If you doubt this than you are ignorant in anthropology. They also can be EXTREMELY violent and brutal! Look at how the ancient Maori's and Papuans behaved! Or what about the Apache's? Better yet, what about the AZTECS who developed their own civlization???