School shooting in CT
Indeed.
I need a grenade launcher, but I don't seem to be able to persuade people of this though (no matter that there's zero percent chance of me misusing it and I'd only shoot live grenades at wrecked cars in the middle of nowhere).
There is a growing body of evidence that psychiatric drugs are involved in a lot of these school shootings. This is as much a mental health issue as it is a gun issue. Even if we as citizens were to allow the confiscation of every gun in the United States it would take years to implement at huge cost, it would spawn an underground criminal community similar to what happened during alcohol prohibition and would never be completely effective. Any effort to protect kids through gun control will fall short. Only an armed citizen willing to protect innocent lives with an immediate reaction will effectively stop a school shooter. Gun control would leave all the law abiding citizens unarmed. According to FBI data there are 3400 violent attacks by criminals every day. At the very least there are 275 instances every day where armed law abiding citizens thwart criminal attacks. Other sources estimate that the number is much higher, like 2000 times a day. The Kleck study puts it as 2.5 million times a year(6850 per day) with 16% of those thwarted crimes being attempted murder. Applying that percentage to the low end figure becomes 44 attempted murders per day thwarted by gun owning and carrying citizens.
WORLDWIDE HISTORY OF GUN CONFISCATION
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated...
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
This whole case makes me sick.
The media despite making a ton of inaccurate reports throughout, picked up on the brother Ryan saying Adam had Aspergers.
IMO, i don't think Adam had Aspergers. Maybe he was somewhere on the spectrum, yet i don't believe he would fit the Aspergers category.
It's also possible he had Antisocial Personality Disorder and just didn't like humans at all.
The dynamics between Adam and his mother were off the psychiatric charts. Adam had "staring spells" during school, those of which only his mother could cure. Nancy would come to the school daily or even twice a day to bring Adam out of his staring spell.
For anyone who has staring spells or zones out, unless you are severly Autistic, all it takes is some prompting my a teacher or someone else to get you back to earth. I believe that Adam faked these in order to get attention from his mother.
Adam obviously knew his mother would do anything for him and he took advantage of this. Maybe he got off on the power he had over his mother, in a sick way.
Adam was sick one night and didn't want his mother in his bedroom. So Nancy slept on the floor outside his room so that he could call to her during the night.
What type of person makes their own mother sleep on the floor? They had enough rooms in that house to pick a room where both could sleep comfortably in a bed and or couch. So this makes me think that's the psychopath in Adam doing that.
Making his mother a puppet for his needs, as he knew she would. His IQ was off the charts, so he wasn't a dummy.
Another problem is that the mother obviously wasn't all there. Maybe it was various stressers that wore her down; yet she was unraveling to the point where she missed the warning signs Adam would shown. Nancy seemed to get paranoid after the divorce and got worse. She trained the boys in shooting and bought more weapons in anticipation of doomsday. She was a Doomsday Prepper.
Now there is nothing wrong with being a Prepper. Preppers are self sufficient and very handy. However Nancy took it to an extreme and became paranoid.
The father, Peter, should have stepped in (aside from hurling cash at the mother) and actually took responsibility for his son. It's clear that Adam lived in Ryan's shadow. However it should have been apparent to Peter that Nancy was in no mental condition to be making decisions for their son.
Ryan, the brother obviously didn't miss the warning signs, as Ryan was the first one to state it was his brother Adam before he had even known it was his brother via media, etc. Who would suspect their own brother of such a thing unless you knew your brother capable?
The various schools Adam went to actually tried to intervene, and everytime Nancy fought them. She would claim only she could help Adam (a delusional outlook) and she would pull him out of the school, to put him in another, and finally home school him.
It takes a whole village sometimes to raise a child. There became a point where Nancy was too sick herself, and Peter seemed to ignore his son Adam, aside from financial help.
At what point can outside sources (CPS,Adult protective services, etc) actually step in?
We see Nancy trying, despite her irrational opinions on curing Adam, and her end of the world paranoia. We see Ryan, the brother who knew right away that his own brother had committed such atrocities. How did Ryan know? I'm guessing Adam showed prior signs or said something. Usually these mass shooters "hint" a lot about their plans.
Nancy had a friend who actually suggested an Autism support group (friends son was Autistic) yet Nancy never even went.
We can only guess that Ryan still talked to Nancy (just not Adam) and i'm sure he updated Peter on Nancy's condition. Why didn't they take action and have an intervention?
This case needed an intervention more than any other i can think of!
The whole family seems to be living in a state of denial.
When faced with a case as such, when can the state come in?
The results otherwise are devastating.
No, and it's called a shutdown. It's common for those with an ASD (no matter the type); it's due to over-stimulation from the environment (such as being in a school).
I can have them for half a day or more, and people trying to help makes them worst.
No, and it's called a shutdown. It's common for those with an ASD (no matter the type); it's due to over-stimulation from the environment (such as being in a school).
I can have them for half a day or more, and people trying to help makes them worst.
Thank you for the correction. All along for some reason i had been thinking absence seizures/staring spell types (likely do to so many articles), i didn't even think of complete communications shutdown.
I stand corrected.
It makes it even worse now that i realize it's a shutdown. Why was he having so many that his mom had to come down to the school several times a day, everyday? The school offered to help, yet the mother said ONLY SHE could help.
Is that denial or what?
The mother obviously wasn't competent to make decisions for her son. The father should have jumped in. They had to know what was going on, with all the fighting with the school Nancy did every time they tried to help her son.
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I'm not aware of Lyme disease being a factor for violent behavior.
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"A fear of weapons is a sign of ret*d sexual and emotional maturity."
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Fox News! You're trying to get me watching that crap! Christ!
Anyone with any intelligence knows never watch, trust, believe or listen to anything Fox News reports!
You're comparing the Independent, a trusted, intellectual, mature newspaper with Fox News?! Lolz!
No wonder I'm getting frustrated here...I mean, who could argue with the likes of Sarah Palin (:lol:) , Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity and king of stupidity, Bill O'Reilly ( ) - although Bill O, has given us the brilliant viewing of Keith Olbermann, who kept on annihilating him (& Fox News) every other week...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2KU02lsfH8
So if you want to post another viewpoint - in which respect is given to the victims here - do so without trying to show us Faux News.
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You know what weak people do when they can't answer an argument? They attack the source instead and claim they don't have to engage it at all. Even a blind squirrel finds the occasional acorn, so unless you can point out what specifically is wrong with that particular clip...
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Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, and all the other ones are agenda pushers and publicity whores rather than news and truth purveyors (they love to provide half-truths), but they do provide clips of things; dismissing something based on the source is a logical fallacy, though. Other news services should provide this one too (unless they're biased); that was just the first one that came up.
The clip shown is of a father of a victim speaking (I don't agree with some of the things he said), but it provides another counterpoint.
I'm sure you'll find this one father speaking on your favorite news site (I don't have one).
Look, here's two:
Father of Newtown Victim ...
Father of Sandy ...
and there's heaps more if you type his name in.
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