Is it WRONG to own guns, rifles, swords, knives, etc.?

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Is it wrong to bear arms?
Yes 19%  19%  [ 15 ]
No 81%  81%  [ 66 ]
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16 Sep 2007, 2:37 am

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Absolutely no one, no one, should have the right or even the possibility to bear arms, except the army and the police. Period. OK????

End of problem.

No, really, don't be emotional about victims and really think about this logically: if ONLY the army and the police can bear arms, then there's never a reason for arms be sold except in rare cases (army and police).
Therefore the likelyhood of obtaining a gun would greatly diminish, and therefore the incidents of gun related deaths would have to as well.

I think I could probably successfully fight against a knife or bear hands, but against a gun there is no hope.

Nobody in society has the right or the wisdom to bear arms.


How do you propose to handle illegal gun smuggling?? Ooooooh I forgot what a great job police do in getting rid of illegal drugs.
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16 Sep 2007, 2:44 am

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THANK YOU!! END OF ARGUMENT. NOW DELETE MY ACCOUNT!


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16 Sep 2007, 2:48 am

What happens is that eventually there are fewer and fewer guns around. Smuggling guns into America would be quite harder than manufacturing them here and having an actual legal market for it.

What I'm saying is that if it gets so diffficult to obtain a gun, then logically the probability of someone having to orchestrate a crime with a gun would greatly diminish. Criminals have been proven to have lower analytical leanings.

I know this is probably emotional for you, but honestly, you must admit, we'd be so much better off as a society if there were no guns, and no tolerance for guns.



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16 Sep 2007, 2:55 am

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What happens is that eventually there are fewer and fewer guns around. Smuggling guns into America would be quite harder than manufacturing them here and having an actual legal market for it.

What I'm saying is that if it gets so diffficult to obtain a gun, then logically the probability of someone having to orchestrate a crime with a gun would greatly diminish. Criminals have been proven to have lower analytical leanings.

I know this is probably emotional for you, but honestly, you must admit, we'd be so much better off as a society if there were no guns, and no tolerance for guns.


There's over 1 BILLION guns in private hands right now, it would take hundreds of years to have those go out of circulation. It would require a global dictatorship hundreds of years to dis-arm the civilian populace of the world. One question........


Which is worse:

1) guns in the hands of anyone who can obtain them?

2) A Global dictatorship with the power to bust down the door of anyone anytime anyplace for th next 500 years?

Get it?


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16 Sep 2007, 2:55 am

Oh, and please do not compare illegal drugs to guns. You can't snort or smoke guns, so therefore they do not need to be replenished on a constant basis.



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16 Sep 2007, 2:56 am

michel wrote:
Oh, and please do not compare illegal drugs to guns. You can't snort or smoke guns, so therefore they do not need to be replenished on a constant basis.


Bullets, gun maintenance.


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16 Sep 2007, 2:58 am

Oh, where would this dictatorship come from if the society we live in has decided to ban guns?



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16 Sep 2007, 3:08 am

Ok, from my previous post, if the homeowner has a break-in, bars the bedroom door and calls the police, what keeps the armed intruder from forcing the bedroom door?


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16 Sep 2007, 3:11 am

The main thing that worries me about people bearing arms is what happens if the other person or people grab the gun or whatever and use it against them.

Also, if one has a gun in particular, it is too easy to get hot under the collar and shoot without taking time to consider if it is the best thing to do.

You've only got to look at historical accounts of all the gun duels back in the 1800's to see what I mean. People would shoot each other dead over perceived or minor personal slights instead of talking out the issues rationally.

I am not going to say that I am completely against being armed but most of the time it is only inviting trouble.


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16 Sep 2007, 3:12 am

michel wrote:
Absolutely no one, no one, should have the right or even the possibility to bear arms, except the army and the police. Period. OK????


I DON'T trust the police. Not one bit.
And I'm not so sure about the army.



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16 Sep 2007, 3:13 am

michel wrote:
I know this is probably emotional for you, but honestly, you must admit, we'd be so much better off as a society if there were no guns, and no tolerance for guns.


Yep. And if the criminals in the blue uniforms get
rid of their's first, I'd feel a LOT safer.



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16 Sep 2007, 3:18 am

If everyone else in society gave up their guns, the police wouldn't need them, either. Tear gas and tazers would be the most radical weapons they would need. I'd like that a lot. But until the guns are taken from the criminals, I want the option to get one if needed.

Yes, guns can be taken away from the holder. I love the video clips where the robber loses the gun, the victim grabs it, and the robber hauls butt.


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16 Sep 2007, 5:30 am

jfrmeister wrote:
The_Chosen_One wrote:
THANK YOU!! END OF ARGUMENT. NOW DELETE MY ACCOUNT!


fixed. :mrgreen:


That should read delete jrfmeister's existence.

What gives you the right to sit in judgemnet on me, you pompous little git? Come on, answer that. You arrogant little imbecile, you think you are so much above me that you can just say what you like and expect me to take it. I've already told you what I think of you via PM, and you have the gall to still insult me publicly. How old are you, 7? You sure behave like it, because only a schoolyard bully like you and that other prat that you are ganging up with would sink so low as to carry on these anally retentive attacks. Now either apologize, or log off and delete your own account, because I am not taking any more of your childish BS anymore.


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16 Sep 2007, 5:37 am

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16 Sep 2007, 6:15 am

Whatever. I am not going to be walked over just because my view isn't the same as the rabble majority. I believe I have put forward valid reasons why I feel that gun ownership in suburbia isn't practical, and all I get is ad-hominem attacks and abuse. Now who in their right mind is going to put up with that?

OK, if you want definite proof why a civilian should not rely on a gun for self defence, imagine a hold-up. You pull your weapon and you only have a split second to react. You cock your gun to fire, or you pull the trigger, and blow someone else's head off because the more adrenaline that floods through your system, the more you lose concentration of what you are doing. You get the shakes, the muzzle is all over the place and while this is happening, your assailant kills you anyway. It doesn't matter how much practice you have in a firing range, the adrenaline rush will stop you from being able to react in the way you want. It's also possible that you may freeze entirely, and then bang, you are still dead. That is why guns as a deterrent are useless. Only trained individuals who can handle themselves under pressure should be allowed anywhere near a hand gun and that means police, and only rural people with a specific need (farmers) should have anything bigger.


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16 Sep 2007, 7:04 am

The_Chosen_One wrote:
Whatever. I am not going to be walked over just because my view isn't the same as the rabble majority. I believe I have put forward valid reasons why I feel that gun ownership in suburbia isn't practical, ....

have not. Get informed.