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10 Sep 2008, 3:05 pm

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Yea! More deterministic crap!



During the last 100 years, science has discovered


Amazing, Scientia potest discere sine auxilio. Laudate Scientia!!



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10 Sep 2008, 3:06 pm

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Quantum effects are random.


If this is true, then physical chemistry would be impossible for anyone to learn.



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10 Sep 2008, 3:12 pm

Haliphron wrote:
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What about how God hates queers

Can we execute them?


You have free will.




Can you Prove this?


You just did. :wink:


Given that there are STRONG statistical patterns in human behaviour and that human behaviour is suprisingly predictable;
there clearly are limits on how much free will we actually have.

Free will means basically you can do things in your own will that you're physically capable to do from what I understand. If you want to eat a banana go ahead, if you want to kill someone go ahead, from the common definition of free will those would apply. I don't see how we don't have this free will.



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10 Sep 2008, 3:20 pm

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I don't see how we don't have this free will.


Being a double negative, it would be better written as:

"I see how we have this free will." Or "I see that we have this type of free-will."

Many ways to phrase things, but ~~ statements are confusing.



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10 Sep 2008, 3:38 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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I don't see how we don't have this free will.


Being a double negative, it would be better written as:

"I see how we have this free will." Or "I see that we have this type of free-will."

Many ways to phrase things, but ~~ statements are confusing.

Well maybe I like to be confusing. :P



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10 Sep 2008, 3:49 pm

slowmutant wrote:
BS BS BS

What is BS here? that atheists can have actually moral values?
or is it just BS because you don't like their philosohpy?
or just because you disagree?


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10 Sep 2008, 3:53 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Yea! More deterministic crap!

Is Calvinism crap? ;)
or to put it better, you don't take theological determinism?


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10 Sep 2008, 3:58 pm

slowmutant wrote:
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What about how God hates queers

Can we execute them?


You have free will.

I think you know that with that phrase, you were making a statement of opinion that homosexuality is bad. Free will is free will, wether homosexuality is good or bad, in which it is irrelevent other than stating an opinion about the subject.

You have free will to get married or not, it doesn't mean it is good or bad, just a choice you make in life.


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10 Sep 2008, 4:00 pm

greenblue wrote:
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BS BS BS

What is BS here? that atheists can have actually moral values?
or is it just BS because you don't like their philosohpy?
or just because you disagree?

It's BS because he doesn't want to hear what I have to say because in his own mind I'm wrong, he's right so he's unwilling to listen.



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10 Sep 2008, 4:11 pm

greenblue wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Yea! More deterministic crap!

Is Calvinism crap? ;)
or to put it better, you don't take theological determinism?


I think Calvinism may be in that category, IMO. Predestination, Biblical predestination, where God foreknows who will belong to Him, is valid, but it is not for lack of free will but because of God's eternal perspective. That's my opinion.



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10 Sep 2008, 4:13 pm

slowmutant wrote:
chever wrote:
What about how God hates queers

Can we execute them?


You have free will.


Obviously, according to the Christian doctrine of free will, people have the ability to make all kinds of decisions. That doesn't mean that all decisions are equally right or wrong, which you seem to be concerned with.

You are dodging the ethical nature of the question - how does religion inform your decision on the morality of such killings?



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10 Sep 2008, 4:23 pm

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how does religion inform your decision on the morality of such killings?


Murderers are to be put to death, a person who causes a woman to miscarry has to pay for it, war is a necessary measure - mainly due to necessity -, the land of Canaan belongs to Israel and I'd fight to see that they keep the land. Et cetera. Which killings are you referring to?



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10 Sep 2008, 6:33 pm

Haliphron wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
chever wrote:
What about how God hates queers

Can we execute them?


You have free will.




Can you Prove this?


You just did. :wink:


Given that there are STRONG statistical patterns in human behaviour and that human behaviour is suprisingly predictable;
there clearly are limits on how much free will we actually have.


We are creatures of habit, yet we have the ability to make choices and run our own lives.



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10 Sep 2008, 8:12 pm

Free will implies one can make decisions without reference to an understanding of causes and effects. I'm puzzled as to why I would want to have that capability.



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10 Sep 2008, 8:22 pm

monty wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
chever wrote:
What about how God hates queers

Can we execute them?


You have free will.


Obviously, according to the Christian doctrine of free will, people have the ability to make all kinds of decisions. That doesn't mean that all decisions are equally right or wrong, which you seem to be concerned with.

You are dodging the ethical nature of the question - how does religion inform your decision on the morality of such killings?


Thou Shalt Not Kill.

Stupid question? Yes. :roll:



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10 Sep 2008, 8:35 pm

slowmutant wrote:
monty wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
chever wrote:
What about how God hates queers

Can we execute them?


You have free will.


Obviously, according to the Christian doctrine of free will, people have the ability to make all kinds of decisions. That doesn't mean that all decisions are equally right or wrong, which you seem to be concerned with.

You are dodging the ethical nature of the question - how does religion inform your decision on the morality of such killings?


Thou Shalt Not Kill.

Stupid question? Yes. :roll:

If memory serves, it was more "Thou shalt not murder" rather than a general prohibition against killing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_comman ... _or_murder


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