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Do you believe God exists?
1) God is a being, that one can have a personal relationship. A person God. 30%  30%  [ 55 ]
2) God is an impersonal force that guides reality as it is. He decrees our laws of physics, but does not intervene to break them. 12%  12%  [ 22 ]
3) God does not exist. Reality can be explained by scientific inquiry and the scientific method in by itself. 33%  33%  [ 61 ]
4) I am not sure. There is the possibility that God does exist, or does not. We must follow the preponderance of evidence when drawing our conclusion. 25%  25%  [ 47 ]
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20 Mar 2016, 9:37 am

Would you rather God have made us as indestructible robots with no "softness" playing in a "kiddy pen" with no chance of anything "dangerous" happening?


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20 Mar 2016, 9:56 am

Have you ever put a cheat code into a game where you get "God mode" and are invincible and one shot every enemy as soon as you touch them. Now how fun is that game after you did that? Is it challenging... exciting...? or is it the most boring s**t ever?


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20 Mar 2016, 12:08 pm

NoahYates wrote:
Would you rather God have made us as indestructible robots with no "softness" playing in a "kiddy pen" with no chance of anything "dangerous" happening?

Sigh... that describes my childhood well! :P


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20 Mar 2016, 12:12 pm

NoahYates wrote:
Have you ever put a cheat code into a game where you get "God mode" and are invincible and one shot every enemy as soon as you touch them. Now how fun is that game after you did that? Is it challenging... exciting...? or is it the most boring s**t ever?

I'm not entirely certain how this really supports your counter argument.

But yes, I personally find it boring when there is no challenge in a game like that. No point in playing if there's no risk and skill involved. :(


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20 Mar 2016, 6:20 pm

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It IS biologically fine tuned as only the said combination of the four fundamental forces have been extraordinarily fine tuned for carbon. The essential element for biological existence.

Carbon is in plenty of other things. You might as well say the universe was fine-tuned for methane.



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20 Mar 2016, 6:23 pm

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Would you rather God have made us as indestructible robots with no "softness" playing in a "kiddy pen" with no chance of anything "dangerous" happening?

I really don't mind being mortal, but I would rather we died suddenly when our time was up instead of being designed to have diseases.



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21 Mar 2016, 9:30 am

Here is an interesting article I was reading... lo and behold it was written by Perry Marshall... the guy from the "DNA as communication" series I keep refering to.
http://cosmicfingerprints.com/ee/?utm_t ... emarketing


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21 Mar 2016, 11:06 am

NoahYates wrote:
Here is an interesting article I was reading... lo and behold it was written by Perry Marshall... the guy from the "DNA as communication" series I keep refering to.
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He sounds like a complete moron.



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21 Mar 2016, 11:08 am

I disagree.


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21 Mar 2016, 11:20 am

In short I believe everything written in the King James Version of the bible, nothing more and nothing less. Jesus Christ is my messiah and I believe you can have a personal relationship with God. However I find the relationship more awkward than anything, I am not a good Christian but I believe so I don't know. I guess I'll find out how much thats worth by itself and I am not thinking its much. I appreciate what he did but I am perplexed as to why you would do that for a bunch of humans. We are brutal to one another and lie, cheat and steal. We would kill one another to the blink of complete obliteration if we could and I think after World War 2 thats on its way. Whats worth to save? I'd would have let this plane of existence collapse on itself. Is he really so lonely as to kill himself for a bunch of people that can't follow his rules and if so the story of Christ is more sad than anything else and I feel bad for him.



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21 Mar 2016, 11:45 am

I can see where he is coming from

It does seem unlikely that an organism such as a single celled germ could evolve.

Christians point to this:http://creation.com/germ-7-motors-in-1

It is very convincing



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21 Mar 2016, 1:02 pm

slenkar wrote:
I can see where he is coming from

It does seem unlikely that an organism such as a single celled germ could evolve.

Christians point to this:http://creation.com/germ-7-motors-in-1

It is very convincing

Convincing to the scientifically illiterate. The flagellum is not an irreducibly complex structure.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB200_1.html



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21 Mar 2016, 3:36 pm

For me the existence of Bach is an argument for God's existence :wink:


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21 Mar 2016, 4:04 pm

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For me the existence of Bach is an argument for God's existence :wink:
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Surprised you wouldn't use as an example a piece of dog poop in the street. It's no less miraculous, right?



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21 Mar 2016, 4:21 pm

AspE wrote:
NoahYates wrote:
For me the existence of Bach is an argument for God's existence :wink:
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Surprised you wouldn't use as an example a piece of dog poop in the street. It's no less miraculous, right?


Honestly AspE, I think you are really just starting to troll Noah at this point. You failed to nullify the anthropic argument and are now just relinquishing to bio. I admit, atheism has a much stronger holdout in biology than physics, but as George Ellis emphasized, every single reality and emotion we portray, can be traced from the start of time.


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