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26 Jan 2017, 7:24 pm

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Not only is Trump calling for an investigation into this non existent voter fraud (he actually got that notion from a golfing buddy) which even congressional Republicans know isn't true, but he's also calling people, who point out that our taking of Iraq's oil would be a war crime, fools, and that we might still have a chance to take it. That would mean a permanent occupying force in Iraq. So much for Trump disentangling us from that part of the world.


I'm all for President Trump doing this investigation. He already won so there is more to this that he hopes to clear up. The Democrats have been against cleaning up the voter registration information for years - why is this? I think it is time to put all of the actual dead voters to rest.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-president ... n-network/


Breitbart is not news, it is the messaging arm of the Trump administration. And we should not be launching investigations on the whim of a delusional narcissist like Trump.

And you know that when a person dies their name doesn't just instantly disappear from the rolls. It takes time for them to get the notice. And just because there are dead people on the rolls doesn't mean they cast a vote. The amount of coordination and knowledge it would take to accomplish what Trump is saying is laughably absurd.

He's just trying to soothe his bruised ego for losing the popular vote by nearly 3 million people. Or in virtually every other country it would just be called the vote. Republicans can't win without the electoral college and no matter how undemocratic it is there will always be conservatives twisting themselves into knots to try and justify it.



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26 Jan 2017, 7:29 pm

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Well this is B.S, I guess science and facts are 'offensive' to the trump administration.
http://www.iflscience.com/environment/trump-administration-orders-communications-blackout-for-us-scientists/

Lol if any of you trump supporters here can convince me this is a good move, then I will compliment your amazing debate skills.... :roll: Why shouldn't scientists be able to keep the public aware of environmental issues? Besides since one of Trump and his supporters big things was how he has no filter and challenges political correctness I figured that would tie over to not being a fan of any censorship...well what is this? hypocrisy?

First-of-all, your provided link references "Buzz Feed" (totally credible - NOT); secondly:

IFL Science wrote:
They did not explicitly reference President Trump or his new administration…

Then, they said this:

IFL Science wrote:
References to climate change have been eradicated from the White House website...

It's awful funny that a quick search on the White House website, using the word "environment", turned-up NINE articles----including one, regarding "climate change".

THEN, I checked-out the BuzzFeed reference (to which your article linked), and found THIS:


BuzzFeed News wrote:
The US Department of Agriculture has banned scientists and other employees in its main research division from publicly sharing everything from the summaries of scientific papers to USDA-branded tweets as it starts to adjust to life under the Trump administration, BuzzFeed News has learned.
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The ban was rescinded on Tuesday.
Emphasis, mine.

So, yeah, the sky is TOTALLY falling----for the forty-millionth time, this week!!


I didn't say the sky was falling, but things so far aren't looking 'better' under trump that is for sure.


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26 Jan 2017, 7:33 pm

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Not only is Trump calling for an investigation into this non existent voter fraud (he actually got that notion from a golfing buddy) which even congressional Republicans know isn't true, but he's also calling people, who point out that our taking of Iraq's oil would be a war crime, fools, and that we might still have a chance to take it. That would mean a permanent occupying force in Iraq. So much for Trump disentangling us from that part of the world.


I'm all for President Trump doing this investigation. He already won so there is more to this that he hopes to clear up. The Democrats have been against cleaning up the voter registration information for years - why is this? I think it is time to put all of the actual dead voters to rest.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-president ... n-network/


You're going to have to find some other source than an Alt Right equivalent of a scandal rag like Breitbart to convince me.
And the voter fraud bull doesn't have to be put to rest, because it already has been. More than one investigation had been conducted, including by George W. Bush, and various Republican governors, and found that any cases of fraud were so miniscule they would have zero impact on elections. Voters die every day, but that hardly means anyone is voting in their names. Voters have even died after casting votes, and that is not fraud.
As the two states this possible investigation would center on are New York and California, it's hard to believe voter fraud of any kind would be needed to go for Clinton. But the real accusation isn't about dead voters, but at directing voter suppression at nonwhite and poor voters who are more likely to vote Democrat.


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26 Jan 2017, 7:33 pm

It's never going to look better for the Left because Trump and Obama are exact opposites. Nothing is going to go the way the Left wants for as long as Trump (I mean President Trump) is in office.


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26 Jan 2017, 7:35 pm

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Not only is Trump calling for an investigation into this non existent voter fraud (he actually got that notion from a golfing buddy) which even congressional Republicans know isn't true, but he's also calling people, who point out that our taking of Iraq's oil would be a war crime, fools, and that we might still have a chance to take it. That would mean a permanent occupying force in Iraq. So much for Trump disentangling us from that part of the world.


I'm all for President Trump doing this investigation. He already won so there is more to this that he hopes to clear up. The Democrats have been against cleaning up the voter registration information for years - why is this? I think it is time to put all of the actual dead voters to rest.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-president ... n-network/


You're going to have to find some other source than an Alt Right equivalent of a scandal rag like Breitbart to convince me.
And the voter fraud bull doesn't have to be put to rest, because it already has been. More than one investigation had been conducted, including by George W. Bush, and various Republican governors, and found that any cases of fraud were so miniscule they would have zero impact on elections. Voters die every day, but that hardly means anyone is voting in their names. Voters have even died after casting votes, and that is not fraud.
As the two states this possible investigation would center on are New York and California, it's hard to believe voter fraud of any kind would be needed to go for Clinton. But the real accusation isn't about dead voters, but at directing voter suppression at nonwhite and poor voters who are more likely to vote Democrat.


No, I don't need to find another source because this is the news I listen to. If you don't like it, then lump it. I don't accept your news sources either. That's what happens when networks like CNN are found out for broadcasting Fake News - it makes it bad for other news sources to be taken as reputable.

Also, I believe that article I put up has actual video to back it up.


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26 Jan 2017, 7:37 pm

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It's never going to look better for the Left because Trump and Obama are exact opposites. Nothing is going to go the way the Left wants for as long as Trump (I mean President Trump) is in office.


By the left don't you mean the overwhelming majority (about 70%) of the country that did not vote for Trump?



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26 Jan 2017, 7:40 pm

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They did not explicitly reference President Trump or his new administration…

Here's the full paragraph: "They did not explicitly reference President Trump or his new administration, but this is the only authority such a widespread gagging order could have originated from. However, at the time of writing, the administrator of the scientific wing of the USDA rescinded this muzzling order." This is why you shouldn't cherry pick quotes.

The reason why I didn't include the whole paragraph was because I included the quote from BuzzFeed, that said it was the Department of Agriculture that did the banning----and, I was saying "See". Your quoting the entire paragraph (but this is the only authority such a widespread gagging order could have originated from) just further proves, IMO, that this IFL Science, is ALSO not credible----so, THANKS!! Them saying "the USDA rescinded this muzzling order", STILL didn't say from whom the order was sent, because "rescind" could mean that they repealed President Trump's order.

Where *I* come-from, mannerly people don't assume / ACCUSE people of "cherry-picking"; they ASK----like, wouldn't it have been cool if you would've said, something like: "Why didn't you include the WHOLE paragraph?".





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26 Jan 2017, 7:42 pm

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Not only is Trump calling for an investigation into this non existent voter fraud (he actually got that notion from a golfing buddy) which even congressional Republicans know isn't true, but he's also calling people, who point out that our taking of Iraq's oil would be a war crime, fools, and that we might still have a chance to take it. That would mean a permanent occupying force in Iraq. So much for Trump disentangling us from that part of the world.


I'm all for President Trump doing this investigation. He already won so there is more to this that he hopes to clear up. The Democrats have been against cleaning up the voter registration information for years - why is this? I think it is time to put all of the actual dead voters to rest.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-president ... n-network/


Breitbart is not news, it is the messaging arm of the Trump administration. And we should not be launching investigations on the whim of a delusional narcissist like Trump.

And you know that when a person dies their name doesn't just instantly disappear from the rolls. It takes time for them to get the notice. And just because there are dead people on the rolls doesn't mean they cast a vote. The amount of coordination and knowledge it would take to accomplish what Trump is saying is laughably absurd.

He's just trying to soothe his bruised ego for losing the popular vote by nearly 3 million people. Or in virtually every other country it would just be called the vote. Republicans can't win without the electoral college and no matter how undemocratic it is there will always be conservatives twisting themselves into knots to try and justify it.


I really don't understand why it is upsetting the Left so much about Trump wanting this investigation. You guys have something to hide?

Let's see who wins if California falls off into the ocean. That is why they have the Electoral College. I don't completely understand it, but it must be there for a reason - and as far as I know, it's staying.


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26 Jan 2017, 7:43 pm

And if I was a Leftist (not even possible), I'd be prepared for another investigation on someone who hasn't been pardoned. Hmm. Just who could that be?


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26 Jan 2017, 7:59 pm

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I didn't say the sky was falling, but things so far aren't looking 'better' under trump that is for sure.

No, of course you didn't use those exact words ("the sky is falling"), but your saying "Well this is B.S, I guess science and facts are 'offensive' to the trump administration.", when your own link said the order had already been rescinded, was as-good-as, IMO, because any cause for alarm, had already PASSED. I mean, look it, you had sheeple on this thread, who didn't read the article, EITHER, following-along right behind you.

Also, this business of "things so far aren't looking 'better' under trump", is seemingly throwing-out the baby with the bath water and is RIDICULOUS, IMO----ESPECIALLY, since he did NOT send the order, and you would've known that, had you read your own link!!





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26 Jan 2017, 8:07 pm

Campin_Cat,

Well, where I come from you don't leave things out of context like that.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t ... SKBN15822X

"U.S. President Donald Trump's administration has moved since he took office last week to curb the flow of information from several government agencies involved in environmental issues, in actions that may have been designed to discourage dissenting views."

"The moves have reinforced concerns that Trump, a climate change doubter, could seek to sideline scientific research showing that carbon dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels contributes to global warming, as well as the career staffers at the agencies that conduct much of this research.

All of the agencies affected by the actions have some input on issues related to the environment and have been involved in various efforts related to climate change, including effects on natural resources and human health.

On Tuesday, a source at the EPA said that staff had been told by members of the Trump administration not to speak to reporters or publish any press releases or blog posts on social media. EPA staff have also been asked not to publicize any talks, conferences, or webinars that had been planned for the next 60 days, the staffer said, asking not to be named."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t ... 5906G?il=0

"Trump administration tells EPA to cut climate page from website: sources"

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2017/01 ... kdown.html

"EPA Science Under Scrutiny by Trump Political Staff"

http://www.dw.com/en/ex-epa-head-trump- ... a-36768369
Ex-EPA head: Trump team asking for lists of climate policy staffers ‘scares me’

Are those sources good enough for you?

There is a real concern on what Trump is going to do to the EPA. Considering his appointment to head the agency has sued the EPA.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ene ... e710c0b1ac

"Trump names Scott Pruitt, Oklahoma attorney general suing EPA on climate change, to head the EPA"



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26 Jan 2017, 8:14 pm

nurseangela wrote:
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Not only is Trump calling for an investigation into this non existent voter fraud (he actually got that notion from a golfing buddy) which even congressional Republicans know isn't true, but he's also calling people, who point out that our taking of Iraq's oil would be a war crime, fools, and that we might still have a chance to take it. That would mean a permanent occupying force in Iraq. So much for Trump disentangling us from that part of the world.


I'm all for President Trump doing this investigation. He already won so there is more to this that he hopes to clear up. The Democrats have been against cleaning up the voter registration information for years - why is this? I think it is time to put all of the actual dead voters to rest.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-president ... n-network/


You're going to have to find some other source than an Alt Right equivalent of a scandal rag like Breitbart to convince me.
And the voter fraud bull doesn't have to be put to rest, because it already has been. More than one investigation had been conducted, including by George W. Bush, and various Republican governors, and found that any cases of fraud were so miniscule they would have zero impact on elections. Voters die every day, but that hardly means anyone is voting in their names. Voters have even died after casting votes, and that is not fraud.
As the two states this possible investigation would center on are New York and California, it's hard to believe voter fraud of any kind would be needed to go for Clinton. But the real accusation isn't about dead voters, but at directing voter suppression at nonwhite and poor voters who are more likely to vote Democrat.


No, I don't need to find another source because this is the news I listen to. If you don't like it, then lump it. I don't accept your news sources either. That's what happens when networks like CNN are found out for broadcasting Fake News - it makes it bad for other news sources to be taken as reputable.

Also, I believe that article I put up has actual video to back it up.


I didn't say you couldn't get your news from whatever source you want, just that you aren't going to convince me with the likes of Breitbart to change my opinion. Breitbart has an all black crime section, advertises that they are a platform for Alt Right racists, and has the most unreliable videos (such as black worshippers allegedly praying to Obama - no they weren't).


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26 Jan 2017, 8:20 pm

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I didn't say the sky was falling, but things so far aren't looking 'better' under trump that is for sure.

No, of course you didn't use those exact words ("the sky is falling"), but your saying "Well this is B.S, I guess science and facts are 'offensive' to the trump administration.", when your own link said the order had already been rescinded, was as-good-as, IMO, because any cause for alarm, had already PASSED. I mean, look it, you had sheeple on this thread, who didn't read the article, EITHER, following-along right behind you.

Also, this business of "things so far aren't looking 'better' under trump", is seemingly throwing-out the baby with the bath water and is RIDICULOUS, IMO----ESPECIALLY, since he did NOT send the order, and you would've known that, had you read your own link!!


Yes fact are offensive to the Trump administration. Why do you think Kellyanne had to come up with the term "alternative facts?" Why did Spicer spend his first press conference lying through his teeth? Trump still can't let go of the FACT that his inauguration crowd was dwarfed by Obama's inauguration or the Women's March. Why did Trump call Climate Change a Chinese hoax when 97% of scientists say it is real and humans are driving it?

Considering everything that has been said and done in the last two months the statement "things so far aren't looking 'better' under trump" is a perfectly reasonable one to make.

And even if it wasn't him that sent the order, he is still responsible for it. That's what happens when you take that job you assume the responsibility of all those agencies and how they're run. Besides none of this ever prevented republicans from screaming with their hair on fire with all the "bad" things the IRS did to the poor old Tea Party. Which wasn't even remotely true. Nor did it stop Republicans from trying to pin Benghazi on Clinton when again their claims weren't remotely true. So you know, it sure does look like facts are offensive to Trump and even Republicans as a whole.



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26 Jan 2017, 8:22 pm

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Where is it----I thought it would be in PPR----I wanna read it, especially since you said what you read references The Bible.....








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Where is it----I thought it would be in PPR----I wanna read it, especially since you said what you read references The Bible.....


It's under "The Power of Positive Thinking". So far, it's just me talking to myself, but I threw out a positive thought that the thread would pick up and then you showed up wanting to know where it was! See, it's working already! :mrgreen:


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Well, NOW I might actually consider this, further----but, I don't have time to be reading all of this, right now; but, I bookmarked your post. THANKS, for posting these!!





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