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24 Nov 2020, 11:05 pm

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Wasn't Nietzsche a Nazi fascist conservative?
Wouldn't he have applied that statement to the *other* side of politics? :scratch: :mrgreen:


Who it was aimed at doesn't influence who it applies to.

If the hat fits.....



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24 Nov 2020, 11:06 pm

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That can be?

I heard a million times about how the kool-aid MAGA cult were going to start a civil war with all their guns.

Especially during the coup.

Banana republic.


People must be wondering what happened to the coup the media was so adamant was going to happen.

I mean, how can people forget these things?
How can people forget how the American media stirred up public opinion over something that wasn't going to happen in a pink fit? :scratch:
And why is it "snarky" to make this point?

It is a fact that the coup didn't happen.
Those that thought it was going to happen, basing their belief on media manipulation, were wrong, pure and simple, but we aren't allowed to talk about it?
Why? 8O



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24 Nov 2020, 11:07 pm

Redd_Kross wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Wasn't Nietzsche a Nazi fascist conservative?
Wouldn't he have applied that statement to the *other* side of politics? :scratch: :mrgreen:


Who it was aimed at doesn't influence who it applies to.

If the hat fits.....


You wouldn't see a joke if you fell on it. :mrgreen:



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25 Nov 2020, 12:07 am

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You wouldn't see a joke if you fell on it. :mrgreen:


Well, let me know when you write a funny one, and we'll see.



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25 Nov 2020, 7:49 pm

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On the other hand, in some cases, Trump supporters were engaged in outright voter intimidation / suppression. See, for example, this video and/or this article.


I read the article and watched the video, but all they said was Trump had law enforcement guarding the polls. That's not voter intimidation that's just security. People can still vote however the want, if there is security and law enforcement around. Why would people think of this as intimidation?

No, there was much more than that. For example, from the Vanity Fair article:

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In Florida, an armed, uniformed Miami police officer was seen near a poll wearing a face mask that read “TRUMP 2020” and “NO MORE BS” on the front of it. “He may have been going to vote,” a lawyer who saw the cop, Daniel Ubeda, told the Miami Herald. “But he was in full uniform with the mask and a gun. That’s voter intimidation.”

On-duty cops are not supposed to express political views or wear clothing that expresses political views. More generally, for everyone, not just on-duty cops, most locales have laws against "electioneering" in the immediate vicinity of a polling place. Thus, whether the above-described cop was on-duty or off-duty, his behavior was probably illegal.

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At several sites across the country, including California and New Mexico, Trump supporters have gathered near polling sites, in some cases worrying those waiting to vote. “That’s wrong,” a Nevada City, California election official told the Post, adding that residents should be able to cast their ballots “without feeling like they can’t because they feel they don’t have access or are intimidated.”

This too would violate any local law against "electioneering" in the immediate vicinity of a polling place.

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And Democratic voters in four states—Alaska, Pennsylvania, Arizona, and Florida—have reported receiving threatening emails that read, “You will vote for Trump on Election Day or we will come after you.”

Obviously an attempt at intimidation.


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25 Nov 2020, 8:16 pm

Pepe wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
That can be?

I heard a million times about how the kool-aid MAGA cult were going to start a civil war with all their guns.

Especially during the coup.

Banana republic.


People must be wondering what happened to the coup the media was so adamant was going to happen.

I mean, how can people forget these things?
How can people forget how the American media stirred up public opinion over something that wasn't going to happen in a pink fit? :scratch:
And why is it "snarky" to make this point?

It is a fact that the coup didn't happen.
Those that thought it was going to happen, basing their belief on media manipulation, were wrong, pure and simple, but we aren't allowed to talk about it?
Why? 8O



Very good points. I guess many if not most are alright with being manipulated that way. Being convinced something is a huge deal when it isn't. Or being convinced some huge deal is going to happen and it doesn't. Not only do they just shrug it off as far as being mislead by the media goes, they become offended when it's pointed out, because somehow the media is still a sacred trust to them.



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25 Nov 2020, 9:08 pm

Tempus Fugit wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
That can be?

I heard a million times about how the kool-aid MAGA cult were going to start a civil war with all their guns.

Especially during the coup.

Banana republic.


People must be wondering what happened to the coup the media was so adamant was going to happen.

I mean, how can people forget these things?
How can people forget how the American media stirred up public opinion over something that wasn't going to happen in a pink fit? :scratch:
And why is it "snarky" to make this point?

It is a fact that the coup didn't happen.
Those that thought it was going to happen, basing their belief on media manipulation, were wrong, pure and simple, but we aren't allowed to talk about it?
Why? 8O



Very good points. I guess many if not most are alright with being manipulated that way. Being convinced something is a huge deal when it isn't. Or being convinced some huge deal is going to happen and it doesn't. Not only do they just shrug it off as far as being mislead by the media goes, they become offended when it's pointed out, because somehow the media is still a sacred trust to them.


Did the media, en masse, REALLY say that? Or did you take it that way, when in fact certain sections of the media said it was a possibility, or a risk, to a greater or lesser degree? They've very different things.

If someone says "I will win the lottery tomorrow" and then they don't, that makes them a liar. If they say "I could win the lottery tomorrow" provided they bought a ticket, that's true, regardless of whether they actually win or not.

The failure of a possibility to translate into a reality doesn't mean it wasn't a possibility.

Given Trump's deliberate promotion of baseless conspiracy theories, along with his broader anti-democratic rhetoric and eternal enthusiasm for playing the victim while acting the bully, widespread public revolt is STILL a possibility. He's managed to pursuade a large number of already very angry / upset people that they were robbed, despite providing no evidence. Fortunately a certain amount of normality seems to be returning to US politics now, so I think the chances of violence are slowly going down, but they're not at zero yet. Personally I regard that lengthening of the odds as a good thing, I'm not going to be disappointed that things turned out better than some papers predicted, that wouldn't make any sense.



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25 Nov 2020, 9:33 pm

By now if people don't recognize the level of hype the media at large goes for these days, there's probably no way to get them too. So they'll keep supporting it into perpetuity.



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25 Nov 2020, 9:43 pm

That's because some of us know enough to discern sensationalist drivel from useful information.


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25 Nov 2020, 9:51 pm

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People must be wondering what happened to the coup the media was so adamant was going to happen.

Please show me an example of any mainstream medium that was "adamant" that a coup "was going to happen," as distinct from being worried about the possibility that a coup might happen.


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25 Nov 2020, 9:54 pm

Tempus Fugit wrote:
By now if people don't recognize the level of hype the media at large goes for these days, there's probably no way to get them too. So they'll keep supporting it into perpetuity.


Or you're just exhibiting inherent bias.

"I heard a million times about how the kool-aid MAGA cult were going to start a civil war with all their guns"

Did you actually hear that they were going to, or merely that it was a possibility?

Are you essentially getting upset about the gap between present day reality and a set of blanket, absolute, past media predictions that only ever existed in your own head?



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26 Nov 2020, 1:39 am

Mona Pereth wrote:
Pepe wrote:
People must be wondering what happened to the coup the media was so adamant was going to happen.

Please show me an example of any mainstream medium that was "adamant" that a coup "was going to happen," as distinct from being worried about the possibility that a coup might happen.


OK, so where did you and Fnord get your excessive concern about a coup?
I was amazed? 8O



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26 Nov 2020, 1:54 am

Redd_Kross wrote:
Pepe wrote:
You wouldn't see a joke if you fell on it. :mrgreen:


Well, let me know when you write a funny one, and we'll see.


I didn't say they were fun, but a joke is still a joke. 8)



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26 Nov 2020, 2:08 am

Mona Pereth wrote:
Pepe wrote:
People must be wondering what happened to the coup the media was so adamant was going to happen.

Please show me an example of any mainstream medium that was "adamant" that a coup "was going to happen," as distinct from being worried about the possibility that a coup might happen.


It came off as if it was actually in progress.



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26 Nov 2020, 2:11 am

Tempus Fugit wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
That can be?

I heard a million times about how the kool-aid MAGA cult were going to start a civil war with all their guns.

Especially during the coup.

Banana republic.


People must be wondering what happened to the coup the media was so adamant was going to happen.

I mean, how can people forget these things?
How can people forget how the American media stirred up public opinion over something that wasn't going to happen in a pink fit? :scratch:
And why is it "snarky" to make this point?

It is a fact that the coup didn't happen.
Those that thought it was going to happen, basing their belief on media manipulation, were wrong, pure and simple, but we aren't allowed to talk about it?
Why? 8O



Very good points. I guess many if not most are alright with being manipulated that way. Being convinced something is a huge deal when it isn't. Or being convinced some huge deal is going to happen and it doesn't. Not only do they just shrug it off as far as being mislead by the media goes, they become offended when it's pointed out, because somehow the media is still a sacred trust to them.


There are so many articles about Trump's coup, you couldn't shake a stick at them all. 8O

Trump's coup failed – but US democracy has been given a scare
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... en-a-scare

Moment of Truth / North America
An autocrat refuses to step down. His sycophants support him. Is this a coup?
https://www.crikey.com.au/2020/11/13/donald-trump-coup/

Trump Administration Discussed Coup Plans With Rebel Venezuelan Officers
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/08/worl ... -coup.html

Column: Is it a coup, or just Trump smashing more norms?
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2 ... lliam-barr

Is President Trump staging a coup? - Houston Chronicle
https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+c ... 33&bih=712

A Disturbing Number of Republicans Back Trump's Coup ...
https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+c ... 33&bih=712



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26 Nov 2020, 2:14 am

Tempus Fugit wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
Pepe wrote:
People must be wondering what happened to the coup the media was so adamant was going to happen.

Please show me an example of any mainstream medium that was "adamant" that a coup "was going to happen," as distinct from being worried about the possibility that a coup might happen.


Quite a lot that gets stated as a sure thing by many over the internet is based on hyped up conjecture and anonymous sources etc from the media.


And so many people fall for it, time, and time, and time, and time, again. :mrgreen: