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21 Aug 2008, 12:48 pm

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I don't see the reason for a debate. The Intelligent Design/creationism people are trying to pass off a theological why for a theoretical how. It simply doesn't work that way. The only theory I'm aware of that explains how we got where we are is Darwin's natural selection. Not that I neccessarily agree selection is the right word, but that's for another argument.

It shouldn't be a debate, not just from the stance of the scientifically-literate, but I'm talking about the believers themselves. They admit that it's faith, and that what gives faith value is that you believe something without any logical reason to do so. So why do they keep pushing their religion on the rest of the country.

If intelligent design (which is creationism, let's not kid ourselves) is true, then it shouldn't matter whether or not it's taught in schools because the Truth will become known by the saved.

But even though I agree with you, this is completely off topic.

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21 Aug 2008, 1:02 pm

Such extremists seem to believe that science is a faith. They simply cannot be argued with. They ignore evidence that does not suit their faith. They are deluded.

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21 Aug 2008, 1:55 pm

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If no one enforced right and wrong, ever, society as we know it could not exist. We can't live without rules, can we? We certainly can't live without morality.

Orwell wrote:

We have the authority to try to prevent people from harming one another, aside from that, no, it is not our place to enforce right and wrong.

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21 Aug 2008, 1:56 pm

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corroonb wrote:

There are all kinds of sexual practices I consider "gross" but if they involve consenting adults, it's frankly none of my business or anybody else's.

Agreed.

Seconded.

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21 Aug 2008, 2:07 pm

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Morality, for the most part, is agreed-upon and tacitly understood.

obviously not.

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Morality is both universal and relative.

translation: i want it my way even though i'm wrong.

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Sometimes it is more relative than universal.

translation: i'm obviously wrong here but still want to be right.

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Beliefs are idiosnycratic by comparison. There's really no rhyme or reason to the various things people believe when looked at as a whole.

actually there is a pretty solid correlation. just take you as an example. devout christian whose morals are defined by the archaic rules of the church. many people fall in line with that a la asch conformity experiment.

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What's so immoral about family values? We need family values, right? Right?

your morals aren't "family values", just "family values" is a title that you (and many other religious devotees) put on their personal morality and wish to enforce on others as the fascists you are.

you disregard others' personal rights and freedoms for your own comfort and your own narrow world view.

maybe if you're creating the master race's perfect family, your family values work but for the rest of us, we're not interested in fascism.

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21 Aug 2008, 2:14 pm

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Morality is both universal and relative.

This is a nonsensical and contradictory statement.

Morality cannot be both universal and relative. It is one or the other.

I think I have already shown how morality in the Bible is clearly relative. God says "Thou Shalt Not Kill", yet God also orders some "prophet" to kill the Caananites and he himself kills the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah.

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21 Aug 2008, 3:10 pm

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What's so immoral about family values? We need family values, right? Right?

It's amoral to choose one type of family and hold it up as 'good' and say that all other families - despite having the same amount of attachment, the same amount of love and concern - are somehow 'bad.'

When I was a teenager, there was a gay couple down the street with two daughters. They were a family. By the standards of most of the people who throw the words 'family values' around, though, they were not only not a family, but they were somehow 'bad' for living as a family unit.

From 'Defenders of marriage,' by Roy Zimmerman:
Every time we think about same-sex marriage
It makes us sick to our guts
I mean, two people who want to commit to a stable
Monogamous life-long relationship
What are they, nuts?
It's unnatural!

Now a man should not lie with a person who is a guy
He should only lie to his wife, the bible is clear
We're —
Defenders of marriage
In three-button suits
We'll raise our double standard and see who salutes
Defenders of marriage
Defending the institution against people who want to get married

Every time we think about same-sex parents
"Oh, my gosh!" we exclaim
I mean, two people who want to provide a protective
And nurturing family environment
Have they no shame?
It's so deviant!
It's the Lord's holy word, as my second wife said to my third
That a family's based on obligation and fear
We're —
Defenders of marriage
Connubial narcs
Ever vigilant and patriotic patriarchs
Defenders of marriage
Defending the institution against people who want to get married

...
We're an army of dicks
With a militant stance
Let's get the government out of our lives and into our pants
Defenders of marriage
Defending the institution against people who want to get married
And have their insurance carried
And be beneficiary'd
And be next to the ones they love when they are buried

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21 Aug 2008, 3:47 pm

LKL wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

What's so immoral about family values? We need family values, right? Right?

Are you comparing me to Roy Zimmerman? Please don't.

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21 Aug 2008, 4:50 pm

Homosexuality is
F A B U L O U S !

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21 Aug 2008, 4:59 pm

I do not doubt that homosexuals enjoy being homosexual. That is not at issue.

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21 Aug 2008, 5:08 pm

It's alright, ad nauseam doesn't rouse my interests anymore than it does for you.

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21 Aug 2008, 5:10 pm

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It's alright, ad nauseam doesn't rouse my interests anymore than it does for you.

This isn't the thread you're looking for. Move along!

/Jedi Mind Trick

:lol:

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21 Aug 2008, 5:12 pm

corroonb wrote:

Averick wrote:

It's alright, ad nauseam doesn't rouse my interests anymore than it does for you.

This isn't the thread you're looking for. Move along!

/Jedi Mind Trick

:lol:

Perhaps you're right, but anyway, how's Ireland today?
Not too much buggery over there, eh?

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21 Aug 2008, 5:15 pm

Averick wrote:

corroonb wrote:

Averick wrote:

It's alright, ad nauseam doesn't rouse my interests anymore than it does for you.

This isn't the thread you're looking for. Move along!

/Jedi Mind Trick

:lol:

Perhaps you're right, but anyway, how's Ireland today?
Not too much buggery over there, eh?

Ireland is fine. Rich. Wet. Boring.

Plenty of buggery I'm sure but not where I'm sitting.

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21 Aug 2008, 5:22 pm

corroonb wrote:

Averick wrote:

corroonb wrote:

Averick wrote:

It's alright, ad nauseam doesn't rouse my interests anymore than it does for you.

This isn't the thread you're looking for. Move along!

/Jedi Mind Trick

:lol:

Perhaps you're right, but anyway, how's Ireland today?
Not too much buggery over there, eh?

Ireland is fine. Rich. Wet. Boring.

Plenty of buggery I'm sure but not where I'm sitting.

Ireland's rich? Really? I didn't know that.
I swear I've never heard of any gay irish;
they must be invisible like the leprechauns. :lol:

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21 Aug 2008, 5:25 pm

You know, sexual orientation is not the only measure of a man's righteousness. There are so many other ways in which a man can reject sin or embrace it. Need I point out that homosexuality and Christianity can occur within one individual?

I'm just tired of all the animosity and ill will.

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