WrongPlanet.net an anti-christian site?

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Of course they do. But at least for me, in order to cherry pick you would have to intrinsically admit that the thing you are cherry picking from is not holy. You cannot at the same time claim that you are reading something that was written by a divine source that will send you to hell if you disagree and at the same time feel entitled to decide which part is good and which part isn't.

Edit: BurntOutMom said it much better than I could do. Once you begin to doubt, you have to decide between doubting more or just looking away. Looking away is what I did for a long time and what most of the non-literal Christians do.




Ok, and a lot of this is correct. But then What measure is a Christian? Again, I'll admit that my initial claim that you are not really a Christian if you don't take the bible literally came from me not using my brain correctly to express what I really wanted to say. It is less about not being a Christian and more about lying to yourself.



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Well, in retrospect, I should have paid more attention and avoided insisted on using the "You are wrong" on her and instead focus the "You are wrong" rhetoric on the mod that was pushing the draconian legislation. I need to pick my fights better and I really shouldn't have messed with the smaller person that just wanted peace, I am sorry for this. Even though I got into arguing mode because she herself addressed me with things like "What vexcalibur doesn't get" . It would have been less tragic If I didn't ignore this thread for so long and I would have been able to identify which part is coming from which part. Doh.

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What gets me is that there is plenty of physical evidence that shows way beyond a reasonable doubt that a fundamentalist literalist interpretation of the Bible is NOT supported by the evidence of the physical world or universe, and is in fact falsified by it.

I can't understand how anyone can continue to believe something that has been so clearly proven to be false. I've heard that some people perversely prefer such a belief, as a test of faith or whatever. It seems most fundies though have been LIED to about the sources of information about the age of the earth and the fact of evolution, and that bothers me too. Sure, most of those who blindly swallow what their pastors tell them are just gullible sheep, but surely some of those spreading the lies must know they are lying. Do they really think God needs anyone to lie for Him, or that the end justifies the means?

That last line reminds me of a joke about a women's attractive posterior. The end justifies the jeans.

Anyway, I would have much more respect for those people if they would admit the evidence exists contrary to their view, but they choose not to accept that evidence for spiritual or philosophical reasons. What ticks me off is when they try to tell me that there is just as much evidence to support their viewpoint, that it is just a matter of how one chooses to interpret that evidence. I know better. Maybe I am wrong, but if I am going to burn in hell for accepting the fact of evolution and the age of the earth, then God is not a very nice God for working so hard to deceive me. The evidence exists for evolution and an old earth. Deal with it.

By the way, a little known fact is that MOST mainstream Christian denominations accept the fact of evolution or say whether or not it happened doesn't matter to their faith. Most Christians worldwide belong to churches that are not anti-science. The very vocal minority of denominations that deny what is real make it seem like all Christians are ret*d though.

If I say something somebody else might find personally offensive, I typically go out of my way to help make it possible for him or her to not be offended ... and in my very own personal opinion, it is about damned time you begin doing something similar. (just pretending to be angry there )


You show me a misrepresentation and I will correct whatever I had posted ... and in my very own personal and damn-it-yourself-if-you-wish opinion: You are absolutely and completely wrong there.

I know you think you always try to do so, and most people do. Including me, only reason I was avoiding to say things like "I think" in this thread was to put emphasis. But I really think that eventually during a discussion you will issue an opinion without prefixing by IMO or I think , or personally, and I also think that overall, it should be ok, because it is a forum and we do use it to share our views, that's the use of the forum.

ska's post:

When we take the second phrase out of context, we can make it look like "You are an ape because you are wrong". But it has more, ska is showing his own frustration with the theist surroundings he has to deal with during his life. He had been complaining about the god of the gaps stuff, that's what "worshiping their own inability to comprehend" came from.

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This is something that as a Christian I struggled with. The Bible doesn't contradict the theory of evolution. In fact, it says that Adam was made from the dirt.... it does not specify a time frame, so why is it an anti-God theory? If you believe that God made this earth and everything in it, then why can you not believe that God is behind science? To me, that just makes sense. Why does God have to defy logic?

As for the whole age of the earth thing, it was only after I no longer considered myself Christian that I heard this 6000 year idea (or whatever it is). To me, that just seems silly. That people think science has nothing better to do than invent a "lie" like carbon dating just to disprove the chronology of the Bible is ludicrous. (and I only word it that way as that is exactly what was proposed to me in a debate once..)

Of course, this a person who used the Bible as a means to support his hatred of homosexuals and had the misconception that most people have the same belief as him. To which I responded, "No, at some point, when you weren't looking, the rest of humanity evolved!"
And he plainly replied, "I don't believe in evolution!"

I suspected that, and I understand ...

... and so now just go a little out-of-the-way-easy on new people trying to join in while still getting to know the rest of us a bit, eh?!

Some people just flat out ignore us newer members, and that's fine by me.... But thanks to all that don't!!

Hi BurntOutMom. Sorry I haven't greeted you sooner!

The Bible says man is made from the dust of the ground. That also makes sense from a scientific viewpoint, although the various theories of abiogenesis (how life first began) can not yet explain exactly how it happened. WHY it happened is a religious question.

The Bible says creatures produce offspring after their "kind." SO DOES EVOLUTION!

Evolution deals with populations, not individuals. In a population the allele frequency of genes expressed varies over time in response to environmental pressure. That is an observed fact. Some offspring may have genes expressed that are more favorable for survival in a particular environment, and those are more likely to pass on those genes to future generations that may in time result in a new species. But any given parents will produce offspring that are of the same "kind", not much different than the parents.

There really is no conflict between the Bible and science, unless one insists on a strict literalist narrow-minded interpretation that is falsified by the evidence of the physical world.

I really see no need to try to make the Bible, any interpretation of the Bible, fit what we know now from modern science. It was a book of wisdom for its time, but it was written by and for people of a different time and place. My opinion is that all the world's religions express the same truths, but expressed in terms of the cultures they were written by and for. In my opinion, we need a new mythology that teaches the same timeless truths but in a way that encompasses and embraces what we have learned. Of course I could be wrong!

Doesn't the Old Testament say something against homosexuality, that a man shall not lay with another man like they would with a woman. I don't have a Bible in front of me to give the exact quote.

The same page in Leviticus that says that it is wrong for man to lie with man says something similar about Tattoos..., true story.

Where are the Christian mobs protesting against Tattoo shops?

So tats cannot lay with tats, eh?!


They were around when I was growing up, and neither was I ever allowed to dance, bowl, shoot pool, kiss a girl, spit, smoke or chew!

shoot pool? Do you mean that game with a16 balls and a table and 6 holes?

LOL! I wasn't fishing for a greeting, but thank you!

I find that there are a lot of strict literalists....

I fully agree about the world's religions statement. That's pretty much verbatim what I believe.

Mythology... I've come to find that this is a taboo word.. People don't like it... DANGER! DANGER! But I like that you admit there are timeless truths in the Bible. There are a lot of good lessons in the Bible. You don't have to believe that Jesus was the Messiah to understand that he had some good things to teach.

I'm fairly certain it does. Good point.. It also suggests that God might want you to sacrifice your son to prove your love and devotion..... Should I start a fire in my backyard? Wanna bring the marshmallows?

Uh-oh... I have tats.... and piercings... and as for the others... I've done 6 out of 7.... hmmmm LOL

Whatever the counts, yes. Pool halls and bowling alleys and movie theaters ... basically any place other than home, school or church was completely taboo. But, here was my first movie when I skipped school one day in '66 ...

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