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04 Oct 2016, 1:34 pm

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Someone only went and did what you said for real! :lol:


That made my day. Thanks for sharing!



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04 Oct 2016, 4:27 pm

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I base my opinions on the information given, as much information I can get. I always acknowledge that I may be wrong, something the people I argue against don't usually do. The guy and girl is an example of how this group thinks, they aren't actual people but were used to explain the group mindset. I have witnessed this quite often.

Their feelings dictate everything. Their convictions are their world. They have said this, time and again, and as such, when they feel like they must stand against something, they will stand against even those they claim to want to help. I have seen numerous black people called "Uncle Tom" and "coon" and other nasty slurs when they disagree with SJWs. They have been told they need to be offended over the same stuff these other people are offended over.

Most people don't take the internet slime pit that you inhabit seriously. These are .0000001% of the population, and you make it seem like they are taking over the world.


Unfortunately, they get it from the media. Vox, HuffPo, BuzzFeed, Mic.com, CNN, Comedy Central, etc. All the major news outlets and popular sites are taken over by this, and it's provable. They aren't even trying to hide it anymore. When we have people like the president continually spreading harmful misinformation, how is it going to do any good? Go to most any major university these days, and try to be a loud Republican, lol. Oh, just wear a MAGA hat. There are troll games where people wear MAGA hats on liberal campuses just to see how long it takes before they get attacked. They may be a minority, but they are in charge of the news and universities.


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04 Oct 2016, 4:43 pm

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Unfortunately, they get it from the media. Vox, HuffPo, BuzzFeed, Mic.com, CNN, Comedy Central, etc. All the major news outlets and popular sites are taken over by this, and it's provable. They aren't even trying to hide it anymore. When we have people like the president continually spreading harmful misinformation, how is it going to do any good? Go to most any major university these days, and try to be a loud Republican, lol. Oh, just wear a MAGA hat. There are troll games where people wear MAGA hats on liberal campuses just to see how long it takes before they get attacked. They may be a minority, but they are in charge of the news and universities.

I think you are conflating things that shouldn't be. What the president says and what some universities are saying isn't extreme. There are some exceptions. I don't know what a MAGA is. But Republicans these days are thinly veiled white supremacists. They aren't even hiding it.



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04 Oct 2016, 4:51 pm

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But Republicans these days are thinly veiled white supremacists. They aren't even hiding it.


This kind of blanket bigotry should have no place on WP. You should be ashamed of yourself.



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04 Oct 2016, 5:28 pm

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But Republicans these days are thinly veiled white supremacists. They aren't even hiding it.


This kind of blanket bigotry should have no place on WP. You should be ashamed of yourself.

It's a simple statement of fact. It doesn't apply to establishment Republicans necessarily.



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04 Oct 2016, 8:08 pm

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But Republicans these days are thinly veiled white supremacists. They aren't even hiding it.


This kind of blanket bigotry should have no place on WP. You should be ashamed of yourself.

It's a simple statement of fact. It doesn't apply to establishment Republicans necessarily.


It's a statement of opinion, and your caveat does not make your statement any less bigoted.



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05 Oct 2016, 2:33 am

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Unfortunately, they get it from the media. Vox, HuffPo, BuzzFeed, Mic.com, CNN, Comedy Central, etc. All the major news outlets and popular sites are taken over by this, and it's provable. They aren't even trying to hide it anymore. When we have people like the president continually spreading harmful misinformation, how is it going to do any good? Go to most any major university these days, and try to be a loud Republican, lol. Oh, just wear a MAGA hat. There are troll games where people wear MAGA hats on liberal campuses just to see how long it takes before they get attacked. They may be a minority, but they are in charge of the news and universities.

I think you are conflating things that shouldn't be. What the president says and what some universities are saying isn't extreme. There are some exceptions. I don't know what a MAGA is. But Republicans these days are thinly veiled white supremacists. They aren't even hiding it.


Depends on your definition of extreme, I guess. Calling for segregation and reeducation, and spreading misinformation on the state of things in the US, which spreads fear and hate and division? It's certainly not right. Teaching little boys that they're inherently sexist rapists? Teaching white people that they're inherently racist and there's actually nothing they can do about it?

Microaggression training:
http://iwf.org/news/2800599/New-at-Univ ... r-Freshman
Refusing to hire men to promote "gender equality."
http://www.mrctv.org/blog/university-me ... r-equality

This stuff is just everywhere now. It's utterly bizarre to me, and while you may not consider it extreme, it is definitely not healthy, and it is influencing many teens and college kids. I've been seeing more and more people saying they can't take certain classes due to the bias in the class, and they're not allowed to question it or share their point of view.
It may be a minority, but it's the minority that has the most influence and power, not just in the US, but in Canada, Australia, the UK, etc. It's just frustrating, especially for someone who likes to speak her mind about things and is not the best at social things getting called racist/sexist/etc for thinking we should treat everyone the same.

It is causing more and more people to become isolated from their social groups, something I discovered and have mentioned here before, with that "support" group. These weren't women on tumblr, they were just your every day women who were in the group.

And if you want to be technical, Democrats are the not so thinly veiled white supremacists these days (well, they've always been, really). They talk like white people are the only ones who can help non-white people, act like white people are on a completely different level than everyone else, and it's frustrating. Either we're all equal, or we're not. They need to make up their minds.


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05 Oct 2016, 4:49 am

It's especially infuriating to keep hearing the "SJWs don't exist and/or are a minuscule group with no influence" when they're a major presence on my own Facebook page, which I limit to people I know in person, mostly friends from school. Getting their attention on twitter or tumblr is also a pretty reliable way of proving both their existence and their numbers, as is cruising any feminist website; these people really aren't hard to find, so I have to presume wilful ignorance at this point.


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05 Oct 2016, 5:45 am

I won't lie. I have seriously limited my friends on my FB page because of some extremists. I had certain pictures up for a long time of me wearing a bandana which I usually wear in the hot summer. I've even collected scarves from my grandmother who used to wear them. Then a couple of "friends" messaged me about the pictures. One girl was polite and sent me an article on cultural appropriation. I then felt guilty and scared after I had picture of my niece wearing a wrapped up scarf and a lot of other stuff. I have tried to see things in a different light but any more I feel like I can't even be myself. I strongly believe in equality and acknowledge racism and white priveledge exist but at the same time I'm begininnig to see a lot of issues that are beyond crazy and I factual. For instance I was reading about the history of scarves and apparently they go so far back that they are not not owned by any one culture. I really have tried but I think I failed this movement and I'm struggling with issues far more serious than what one wears or chooses to listen to musically. I don't have health care, I can barely afford medication or food and because of these daily struggles and more, I find it too depressing to see people even to whom I could just talk to now behave as if everything including words like picnic and clothes like hoodies are the ultimate wars we're being faced with. I know not all of them agree but you don't dare speak up unless you want to risk being ostracized as a racist or being called an Uncle Tom or coon, something my friend who is black has in fact been called by her own friends and she is for racial equality and loves her African heritage vehemently...go figure. But that is the frustration it can pose and if you're not part of the white upper middle class then you got yourself to blame by both political extremist spectrums or so that's what I'm told. Sometimes the left extremists are a little sympathetic though when I bring up my autism and issues with depression but at least as a white person I'm not part of the white majority because poc tend to be more poor, an issue I don't deny.


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05 Oct 2016, 6:28 am

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I won't lie. I have seriously limited my friends on my FB page because of some extremists. I had certain pictures up for a long time of me wearing a bandana which I usually wear in the hot summer. I've even collected scarves from my grandmother who used to wear them. Then a couple of "friends" messaged me about the pictures. One girl was polite and sent me an article on cultural appropriation. I then felt guilty and scared after I had picture of my niece wearing a wrapped up scarf and a lot of other stuff. I have tried to see things in a different light but any more I feel like I can't even be myself. I strongly believe in equality and acknowledge racism and white priveledge exist but at the same time I'm begininnig to see a lot of issues that are beyond crazy and I factual. For instance I was reading about the history of scarves and apparently they go so far back that they are not not owned by any one culture. I really have tried but I think I failed this movement and I'm struggling with issues far more serious than what one wears or chooses to listen to musically. I don't have health care, I can barely afford medication or food and because of these daily struggles and more, I find it too depressing to see people even to whom I could just talk to now behave as if everything including words like picnic and clothes like hoodies are the ultimate wars we're being faced with. I know not all of them agree but you don't dare speak up unless you want to risk being ostracized as a racist or being called an Uncle Tom or coon, something my friend who is black has in fact been called by her own friends and she is for racial equality and loves her African heritage vehemently...go figure. But that is the frustration it can pose and if you're not part of the white upper middle class then you got yourself to blame by both political extremist spectrums or so that's what I'm told. Sometimes the left extremists are a little sympathetic though when I bring up my autism and issues with depression but at least as a white person I'm not part of the white majority because poc tend to be more poor, an issue I don't deny.

Cultural appropriation is not a thing. You have nothing to feel guilty about. If these people can't accept you for who you are, then cut them and their malign influence on you away.

If you can't speak up to someone without fear of them branding you a racist, what good are they to you? Cleanse yourself of this mental pollution they've inflicted on you. Cut them and it all away. It makes me so angry seeing someone like you getting tied up in knots by this awfulness when you've done nothing wrong. Same for that friend of yours, the black girl.



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05 Oct 2016, 12:05 pm

"Afraid to speak up: In the era of trigger warnings, a tenured professor stays silent"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/gra ... ys-silent/

"As an assistant professor climbing the ranks in higher education, I frequently challenged the loudest voices in the room when I thought they were wrong."

"Now I have tenure, which assures even greater academic freedom. But in the current campus climate of safe spaces, trigger warnings and outrage over anything politically incorrect, I find myself increasingly holding back and second-guessing myself."

This is the strategy of every totalitarian Leftist movement, whether it's international socialism, national socialism, fascism, Maoism, Kim Il-Sung-ism, or anything else.


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05 Oct 2016, 12:14 pm

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I won't lie. I have seriously limited my friends on my FB page because of some extremists. I had certain pictures up for a long time of me wearing a bandana which I usually wear in the hot summer. I've even collected scarves from my grandmother who used to wear them. Then a couple of "friends" messaged me about the pictures. One girl was polite and sent me an article on cultural appropriation. I then felt guilty and scared after I had picture of my niece wearing a wrapped up scarf and a lot of other stuff. I have tried to see things in a different light but any more I feel like I can't even be myself. I strongly believe in equality and acknowledge racism and white priveledge exist but at the same time I'm begininnig to see a lot of issues that are beyond crazy and I factual. For instance I was reading about the history of scarves and apparently they go so far back that they are not not owned by any one culture. I really have tried but I think I failed this movement and I'm struggling with issues far more serious than what one wears or chooses to listen to musically. I don't have health care, I can barely afford medication or food and because of these daily struggles and more, I find it too depressing to see people even to whom I could just talk to now behave as if everything including words like picnic and clothes like hoodies are the ultimate wars we're being faced with. I know not all of them agree but you don't dare speak up unless you want to risk being ostracized as a racist or being called an Uncle Tom or coon, something my friend who is black has in fact been called by her own friends and she is for racial equality and loves her African heritage vehemently...go figure. But that is the frustration it can pose and if you're not part of the white upper middle class then you got yourself to blame by both political extremist spectrums or so that's what I'm told. Sometimes the left extremists are a little sympathetic though when I bring up my autism and issues with depression but at least as a white person I'm not part of the white majority because poc tend to be more poor, an issue I don't deny.

Those are the kind of trivial issues you deal with on facebook. It's not real life.



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05 Oct 2016, 12:15 pm

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It's especially infuriating to keep hearing the "SJWs don't exist and/or are a minuscule group with no influence" when they're a major presence on my own Facebook page, which I limit to people I know in person, mostly friends from school. Getting their attention on twitter or tumblr is also a pretty reliable way of proving both their existence and their numbers, as is cruising any feminist website; these people really aren't hard to find, so I have to presume wilful ignorance at this point.

Facebook isn't real life.



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05 Oct 2016, 12:29 pm

Cultural appropriation is a phrase being used to promote the odious argument that use of aspects of one culture by a person of another culture is morally wrong if the person using the culture of the other is more powerful, as can be seen in this article by Kovie Biakolo

This is a rubbish idea, like the one that says skin prejudice is only bad and worthy of condemnation as racism when it is used by a person whose skin pigmentation group is more powerful and the person who against whom the prejudice is being shown is less powerful--the idea espoused by Sonny Carson and Sister Souljah in the 1990s, and is today promoted by [url="https://www.pambazuka.org/governance/black-people-can%E2%80%99t-be-racist"]Sobantu Mzwakali.[/url]

As Barbra Jordan put it to the Democratic Convention in 1992, shocking the Sister Souljah contingent:

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we reject both white racism and black racism.


The context in which she voiced that clear statement also speaks to the nonsense of "cultural appropriation" to those who care to hear:

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We are one, we Americans. We're one and we reject any intruder who seeks to divide us on the basis of race and color. We honor cultural identity. We always have; we always will. But separatism is not allowed. Separatism is not the American way. We must not allow ideas like political correctness to divide us and cause us to reverse hard-won achievements in human rights and civil rights. Xenophobia has no place in the Democratic Party.

We seek to unite people, not divide them. As we seek to unite people, we reject both white racism and black racism. This party will not tolerate bigotry under any guise.

Our strength in this country is rooted in our diversity. Our history bears witness to that fact: E Pluribus Unum -- "from many, one". It was a good idea when it was founded, and it's a good idea today. From many, one. That still identifies us still identifies us.


Barbra Jordan's 1992 DNC speech against white racism, black racism and divisive political correctness


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05 Oct 2016, 12:32 pm

Unfortunately, your complaints are the result of misunderstanding and distortion of the actual thing for political gain.

What's wrong with teaching little boys to respect women? Nothing. This sort of training could go a long way to preventing campus rape and violence later in life. Of course, conservatives freak out about feminism, and so they call it "teaching little boys that they are inherently sexist rapists" f**k that s**t.

Same with teaching about white privilege and inherent bias.

"Meanwhile, white kids are herded into separate classrooms and taught to raise their “awareness of the prevalence of Whiteness and privilege,” challenge “notions of colorblindness (and) assumptions of ‘normal,’ ‘good,’ and ‘American’” and “understand and own European ancestry and see the tie to privilege.”"

Sounds good to me. Colorblind racism is all over this forum, white idiots pretending that all they have to do is announce that everyone is equal. It's a form a racist denial. It's a whitewashing of American culture. A trivial gesture that makes them feel better about themselves while disallowing any acknowledgement of the racist culture where blacks names on resumes get 50% less callbacks from the same qualifications. Don't tell me we don't need some education in this regard.

Microaggression training. So they point out certain subtle things that belittle people. So what.

Refusing to hire men. Again, so what. Men are overrepresented in STEM. But men's rights! Give me a break.

What's really happening is you can no longer easily get away with being a horrible sexist and racist person, you have to look out for the feelings of others. Whaaa.

White people are in the majority, and saying they need to do things about their culture isn't the same thing as saying blacks are impotent to address any of these problems too. These are conservative attempts at counter-propaganda. While at the same time they undermine minority voting rights, and seek to create a government small enough to allow a small powerful elite of white Christians to dominate the country. Wake the f**k up, you are being conned.



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05 Oct 2016, 12:33 pm

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This is the strategy of every totalitarian Leftist movement, whether it's international socialism, national socialism, fascism, Maoism, Kim Il-Sung-ism, or anything else.

This is the strategy of every totalitarian and authoritarian government from either end of the political spectrum. The one thing they all agree on is that free speech is dangerous, because they know their ideas can't compete unless backed by the threat of violence.

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So very true.


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