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27 Aug 2018, 1:43 pm

Pro-America NAFTA with Mexico tentatively finalized. Markets hit record highs today.

"The deal will be called the United States-Mexico Trade agreement, according to Donald Trump".
https://www.thestreet.com/markets/dow-j ... n-14693747

Emphasis on "United States" being put first.

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27 Aug 2018, 4:52 pm

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Family’s don’t disown kids cause they vote for someone they don’t like. True family and friendship overrule politics. I’d never insult a friend or disown family for their beliefs.
Yet the left is so so blinded by pure hatred they do just that. So I don’t consider myself left anymore. I will probably register as a republican for next election I want no part of a party consumed by hatred they turn on their family and friends.

I am not up on the rate of lefty families disowning thier Trump supporting kids but back in the day it was not uncommon for WW2 vet parents to disown their anti war hippie kids. In fairness there was probably more disowning back then. Disowning ones kids for mental illness or bieng chronically un or underemployed was not uncommon either.

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27 Aug 2018, 5:05 pm

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sly279 wrote:

Reich wingers also do it ALL the freaking time to their lgbtq kids today. It doesn't have every single time someone comes out, but it happens a lot more than it should.

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27 Aug 2018, 5:28 pm

Spooky_Mulder wrote:

sly279 wrote:

Yet the left is so so blinded by pure hatred.

The left is blinded by hatred?

The right-wing attacks everyone who isn’t a white/straight/cis/non-immigrant/non-disabled/Christians.

In case statistics aren’t clear - that’s way more than half the country that the right-wing attacks and seeks to oppress just because they were born different or believe in a different religion. This is why most minorities stay away from the Confederate party in mass.

http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/10/25/lesbian-gay-and-bisexual-voters-remain-a-solidly-democratic-bloc/

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/09/22/a-political-profile-of-disabled-americans/

Not to mention reich wingers commit the MOST domestic terrorist attacks in the United States. So not only do they attack and seek to oppress most of the people here - they KILL most of the people here as well. But yeah, the right-wing is a bunch of “fine” loving “patriots.” :lol:

Here's terrorism statistics that point to the right wing being America's terrorist party:

https://theintercept.com/2017/05/31/the-numbers-dont-lie-white-far-right-terrorists-pose-a-clear-danger-to-us-all/

Statistics - sad - fake news (sarcasm).

I'll stick by the Union, the Union throughout history have made their stance known.

Man, I'm glad I live in the real world and not your imaginary world where none of this is actually true. I mean, my God, this is borderline delusional.

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27 Aug 2018, 5:37 pm

Bataar wrote:

Spooky_Mulder wrote:

sly279 wrote:

Yet the left is so so blinded by pure hatred.

Man, I'm glad I live in the real world and not your imaginary world where none of this is actually true. I mean, my God, this is borderline delusional.

Yeah, knowing and having statistics (one of which is a government sanctioned report, the file is included in the Intercept article) is borderline delusional while believing that statistics are part of a vast conspiracy theory plot isn't. :lol:

"FAKE NEWS! FAKE NEWS! FAKE NEWS!"

I wonder how often right-wingers can plug their ears and scream that. I'm sure it helps though.

I'm content with knowing that I don't have to scream "fake news." It's much better over here where statistics and government sanctioned reports aren't deemed to be part of a vast conspiracy theory. :mrgreen:

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27 Aug 2018, 5:45 pm

Spooky_Mulder wrote:

Bataar wrote:

Spooky_Mulder wrote:

sly279 wrote:

Yet the left is so so blinded by pure hatred.

Man, I'm glad I live in the real world and not your imaginary world where none of this is actually true. I mean, my God, this is borderline delusional.

"FAKE NEWS! FAKE NEWS! FAKE NEWS!"

I wonder how often right-wingers can plug their ears and scream that. I'm sure it helps though.

I'm content with knowing I don't have to scream "fake news." It's much better over here where statistics and government sanctioned reports aren't deemed to be part of a vast conspiracy theory. :mrgreen:

Anyone can cite meaningless statistics. Unless they have evidence, examples, context, then they are just fake news.

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27 Aug 2018, 5:47 pm

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Unless they have evidence, examples, context, then they are just fake news.

How did I know you'd result to calling statistics and government sanctioned reports on terrorism fake news?

I'll admit though, although some may disagree, I enjoy this right-wing antic because at the very least it is somewhat amusing. :mrgreen:

My favorite antic though is seeing right wingers even calling their beloved Fox News, when Fox reports something right-wingers don't like, "fake news" (my reports aren't from Fox, but right-wingers are sometimes all over twitter even calling Fox fake news when anything negative does come out from them). Right wing news really created a form of self-destruction like their Southern-Strategy Orange Frankenstein.

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27 Aug 2018, 5:54 pm

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Bataar wrote:

Unless they have evidence, examples, context, then they are just fake news.

You didn't post any news though. You posted a site stating that black people generally align with democrats (although that's shifting) same with other minority groups. That's pretty much meaningless in the context of this discussion. You also posted a link to an opinion piece trying to claim that right wing radicals are the most dangerous without using any examples, evidence, or context. I can say that a conservative is more likely to be attacked by Antifa than a black person is by the KKK and be just as accurate as anything that article covered.

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27 Aug 2018, 5:58 pm

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You posted a site stating that black people generally align with democrats (although that's shifting) same with other minority groups.

You are aware that Trump has a lower minority approval rating than George W. Bush (the last Republican president), right? Trump's "best" day is worse than one of W's worst - that isn't anything to particularly rave about.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/8749/blacks-give-bush-low-marks-hispanics-more-positive.aspx

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[You also posted a link to an opinion piece trying to claim that right wing radicals are the most dangerous.

Yeah. Suuure. An "opinion" piece:

Quote:

“Since September 12, 2001,” noted a recent report prepared for Congress by the Government Accountability Office, “the number of fatalities caused by domestic violent extremists has ranged from 1 to 49 in a given year. … Fatalities resulting from attacks by far-right wing violent extremists have exceeded those caused by radical Islamist violent extremists in 10 of the 15 years, and were the same in 3 of the years since September 12, 2001.” Imagine that.

The bolded links DIRECTLY to the actual official report prepared for Congress by the Government Accountability Office that has the terrorism stats.

If you had cared to pay attention you would have even seen I noted that the article had the government sanctioned report, here's the report the article links to:

https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

But, you know - "FAKE NEWS!" Sad.

Here's some more "FAKE NEWS!" - the WP article about hate crimes (which focuses on hate crimes rather than terrorism) that links to FBI statistical reports which I'm sure are so very, very fake as well.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/05/11/hate-crime-rates-are-still-on-the-rise/?utm_term=.1f5af5473db6

As said, personally I'm just happy to be in a state of mind where I don't need to think that government and FBI sanctioned reports are part of a big vast conspiracy. But, that's just me though.

For right-wingers, I'm sure - actually, I guarantee (from how close right-wingers hold onto it) - it's better living in a world where there are such things as "alternative facts" and government reports as well as statistics are "fake news." I'm just happy that I don't have to live there.

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27 Aug 2018, 7:15 pm

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And this is just the beginning -- we've got more than six Trump years to go. My vote for our very stable genius of a president was the best vote I've ever cast.

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27 Aug 2018, 7:19 pm

Nobody knows what sanity even is, I wouldn't call multiple bankruptcies 'stable' and I don't consider an aversion to efficiency 'genius'. If he could actually talk to everyone in the govt. the way McCain did that would be a start but right now we're about as stable as Brazil.

Usually it's considered genius to condemn war, not redefine it. I'll grant that trade sanctions are less trouble than bullets & WMDs, but they also certainly don't alleviate any real conflict.

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27 Aug 2018, 7:34 pm

Darmok wrote:

And this is just the beginning -- we've got more than six Trump years to go.

Personally, I can't wait to see how Trump supporters react to Trump not even making it past the general election. Knowing many right-wingers, or as Trump supporters call them "RINOS," they're in for a really nice backlash. :mrgreen:

This also why I say there's a right-wing and a right-wing. My allegiance is also to the real Republicans (not Trumpsters).

cberg wrote:

Nobody knows what sanity even is

It's as easy as this, 2+ 2 = 5 and everything you don't like is "fake news."

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28 Aug 2018, 2:40 am

Pleased to see Trump backtracking on his promise to pull out of NAFTA. A couple of tiny tweaks and now he thinks it is "incredible". Still needs Canada's approval, of course, but given the seemingly insignificant nature of the renegotiations I don't think that will be a problem. Maybe the symbolism will be important, but Trudeau is a pragmatist and probably willing to let the Americans put on a show every 16 years if it means the borders stay open.

I guess the upside of Trump having a lot of supporters who stick by him no matter what he does is that he can backtrack on his promises when they turn out to be bad ideas.

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28 Aug 2018, 11:04 am

Spooky_Mulder wrote:

Bataar wrote:

You posted a site stating that black people generally align with democrats (although that's shifting) same with other minority groups.

Bataar wrote:

[You also posted a link to an opinion piece trying to claim that right wing radicals are the most dangerous.

Yeah. Suuure. An "opinion" piece:

Quote:

See, the first article you posted claimed that white extremists are the most dangerous and then, as proof, you showed a government report only comparing it to Islamic extremists. Nearly every mass shooting that has taken place in this country has been by someone who is on the left. So while the government report is correct, the initial opinion piece you posted is just that, an opinion piece. More people have been killed by people on the left than by people on the right.

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28 Aug 2018, 11:52 am

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More people have been killed by people on the left than by people on the right.

Right wing terrorism vastly outnumbers left.

Here's statistics:

https://www.theinvestigativefund.org/investigation/2017/06/22/home-hate/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2017/08/21/which-ideology-has-inspired-the-most-murders-in-terrorist-attacks-on-u-s-soil/#2df261991e74

Do you have statistics of any kind or do you want to continue to prove what most of us already know about Trump's fans?

As said man, I'm content with knowing how the statistics align. I may be in Hollywood now, but my other path was in criminology and the FBI. Statistics mean something to me. I don't care about subjective. I care about objective. Fact is fact. There is no such thing as an alternative fact. I just go where the statistics lead me and so far, you've provided none and have only shouted about things being "fake news" without any evidence or statistics to back up your claims.

In case people are more curious, I'm guessing the poster may be inclined to believing and finding these kinds of news stories:

https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=367736

The right-wing, desperate as they are to label people on the left as terrorists, just tried to spin another story that amusingly backfired on them - because, like always it turned out to be false. That wouldn't be the first time they tried either:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/democrat-shooters-list/

It's part of their M.O.

I take statistics and evidence seriously, I do not take conspiracy theories seriously.

I'm guessing you're going to do the same again - shouting "fake," sprouting off right wing conspiracy theories, and not having any statistical evidence (or evidence period) to back the claims up with. If that is the case (which I'm betting it likely will be since it has consistently been that way), this will be my last reply to you.

Providing statistics to someone who rants "fake" is "fun" and all (sarcasm) - it allows me to post even more statistics that further denigrate the right, but - nothing personal - it's getting tiring and I have more productive things to do.

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28 Aug 2018, 12:20 pm

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Pleased to see Trump backtracking on his promise to pull out of NAFTA. A couple of tiny tweaks and now he thinks it is "incredible". Still needs Canada's approval, of course, but given the seemingly insignificant nature of the renegotiations I don't think that will be a problem. Maybe the symbolism will be important, but Trudeau is a pragmatist and probably willing to let the Americans put on a show every 16 years if it means the borders stay open.

I guess the upside of Trump having a lot of supporters who stick by him no matter what he does is that he can backtrack on his promises when they turn out to be bad ideas.

The Democrats and Republicans would never do anything on NAFTA, so all he has to do is minimal effort and he looks like a "working class" hero.

Like the middle class tax cuts. He made them temporary, and that's still better than any Democrat or Republican would ever do.

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