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25 Feb 2022, 12:47 pm
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Do you understand the concepts of leadership, celebrity status, and influence etc? trump's absolutely deplorable example of "leadership," led to mentally unstable Americans believing they had the president of the united states' blessing to carry out hate crimes, so, they did.
It's not too dissimilar from far right wing talking heads in the propaganda media saying absurd things resulting in stochastic terrorism. The more these horrible people on TV and radio talk negatively about "others," and dehumanize them, blame them for all of society's problems, the more likely some unhinged person is going to go and commit acts of violence against them.
trump had the world's biggest soapbox to express his opinions.. and his opinions were downright nasty and vulgar, and some not-so-bright-people decided to act on the things he said, targeting the people he targeted with his words. Some murdered trans people, others sent bombs to political rivals. trump didn't murder anyone with his hands or send bombs to democrats, but he knew damned well what he was doing when saying all those inflammatory things - that he could drop comment after comment until some crazy person or another would go ahead and actually lash out in violence towards the people he demonized from his bully pulpit.
It's not too dissimilar from far right wing talking heads in the propaganda media saying absurd things resulting in stochastic terrorism. The more these horrible people on TV and radio talk negatively about "others," and dehumanize them, blame them for all of society's problems, the more likely some unhinged person is going to go and commit acts of violence against them.
trump had the world's biggest soapbox to express his opinions.. and his opinions were downright nasty and vulgar, and some not-so-bright-people decided to act on the things he said, targeting the people he targeted with his words. Some murdered trans people, others sent bombs to political rivals. trump didn't murder anyone with his hands or send bombs to democrats, but he knew damned well what he was doing when saying all those inflammatory things - that he could drop comment after comment until some crazy person or another would go ahead and actually lash out in violence towards the people he demonized from his bully pulpit.
Did Trump actually say go out and do this though, or were the crazy people just blaming him as an excuse of their own actions?
It seems you do not understand these concepts.
He talked s**t about various groups of people, blamed them for economic problems etc over and over again, calling them dirty, stupid, rapists, murders, inferior, terrorists etc. The whole point is to paint them as enemies so that some unhinged people will go and do the terrible acts that trump didn't outright instruct them to do. This is how people like trump manipulate people into doing the crazy things he wants them to do without actually point blank instructing them to do it so that he can claim he never told them to do it.
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25 Feb 2022, 1:11 pm
ironpony wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
ironpony wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Do you understand the concepts of leadership, celebrity status, and influence etc? trump's absolutely deplorable example of "leadership," led to mentally unstable Americans believing they had the president of the united states' blessing to carry out hate crimes, so, they did.
It's not too dissimilar from far right wing talking heads in the propaganda media saying absurd things resulting in stochastic terrorism. The more these horrible people on TV and radio talk negatively about "others," and dehumanize them, blame them for all of society's problems, the more likely some unhinged person is going to go and commit acts of violence against them.
trump had the world's biggest soapbox to express his opinions.. and his opinions were downright nasty and vulgar, and some not-so-bright-people decided to act on the things he said, targeting the people he targeted with his words. Some murdered trans people, others sent bombs to political rivals. trump didn't murder anyone with his hands or send bombs to democrats, but he knew damned well what he was doing when saying all those inflammatory things - that he could drop comment after comment until some crazy person or another would go ahead and actually lash out in violence towards the people he demonized from his bully pulpit.
It's not too dissimilar from far right wing talking heads in the propaganda media saying absurd things resulting in stochastic terrorism. The more these horrible people on TV and radio talk negatively about "others," and dehumanize them, blame them for all of society's problems, the more likely some unhinged person is going to go and commit acts of violence against them.
trump had the world's biggest soapbox to express his opinions.. and his opinions were downright nasty and vulgar, and some not-so-bright-people decided to act on the things he said, targeting the people he targeted with his words. Some murdered trans people, others sent bombs to political rivals. trump didn't murder anyone with his hands or send bombs to democrats, but he knew damned well what he was doing when saying all those inflammatory things - that he could drop comment after comment until some crazy person or another would go ahead and actually lash out in violence towards the people he demonized from his bully pulpit.
Did Trump actually say go out and do this though, or were the crazy people just blaming him as an excuse of their own actions?
It seems you do not understand these concepts.
He talked s**t about various groups of people, blamed them for economic problems etc over and over again, calling them dirty, stupid, rapists, murders, inferior, terrorists etc. The whole point is to paint them as enemies so that some unhinged people will go and do the terrible acts that trump didn't outright instruct them to do. This is how people like trump manipulate people into doing the crazy things he wants them to do without actually point blank instructing them to do it so that he can claim he never told them to do it.
Oh okay, but Trump didn't actually do anything to screw people over in his actions though? Like he didn't make any actual decisions that screwed people over? All he did was basically verbally whine and complain about certain types of people, and people only hate him because of the whining and complaining and that's it? No actualy actions of any kind taken?
I just thought in order to be hated as much as Trump is, you have to do something action wise, like for example, shut down a certain economy or something, for random example. I didn't know that his biggest sin was shooting his mouth off only, and being all talk and no walk, in terms of actions.
Whenever I ask people what actions Trump has done to get people to hate him, no one can name any. I want actions, not talk. What are the actions?
Wtf?
Where were you for the entire 4-5 years that he was headline news. The guy did all kinds of s**t people don’t like. Everything from jerking off North Korea and Putin to international trade policies that harmed American industries and a plethora of other stupid s**t.
There’s certainly some extensive lists you can google.
Also, being in the most powerful position in the world, even just his words have dire consequences.
It is strange to me that you require these things to be explained to you.
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25 Feb 2022, 3:03 pm
Dude, literally no one is going to go read 5 years worth of atrocious headlines about all the bs trump did during his presidency from praising North Korea's leader to praising Putin, enacting a trans ban in the military, putting tariffs on Chinese goods because he doesn't understand that it's a tax on Americans not on Chinese manufacturers, creating "Muslim bans," blaming Mexicans for America's economic woes etc etc etc there are COUNTLESS examples of his stupidity turned into actions. Go read about them for yourself.
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13 Mar 2022, 2:37 am
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That's true sorry, it's just if whenever I try to look it up, people say he is racist and sexist, etc, but they are going by his personal outlook on issues, rather than what he actually did in his job, action wise. For example, I keep reading that he made things worse for poor people economically but now specifically?
The guy gave a 2 Trillion dollar tax break to the top 1% income earners in the country. The government still needs that 2 Trillion dollars to operate. Guess where it has to come from/be paid by? Poor working people. That was probably the single biggest line item he F’d people with, but there are likely many more examples.
Oh, here’s another: trump gov’t worked together with a whole bunch of big businesses that didn’t deserve Covid bailout money and cut his rich business owning friends and donors big fat cheques of free money for doing nothing while small businesses got nothing and closed shop.
Over and over and over again this guy works for the ultra rich just like putin and his oligarchs while making working class people work ever harder for less.
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13 Mar 2022, 11:45 am
ironpony wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
ironpony wrote:
That's true sorry, it's just if whenever I try to look it up, people say he is racist and sexist, etc, but they are going by his personal outlook on issues, rather than what he actually did in his job, action wise. For example, I keep reading that he made things worse for poor people economically but now specifically?
The guy gave a 2 Trillion dollar tax break to the top 1% income earners in the country. The government still needs that 2 Trillion dollars to operate. Guess where it has to come from/be paid by? Poor working people. That was probably the single biggest line item he F’d people with, but there are likely many more examples.
Oh, here’s another: trump gov’t worked together with a whole bunch of big businesses that didn’t deserve Covid bailout money and cut his rich business owning friends and donors big fat cheques of free money for doing nothing while small businesses got nothing and closed shop.
Over and over and over again this guy works for the ultra rich just like putin and his oligarchs while making working class people work ever harder for less.
Oh okay, but how does the US legal system determine what income you must have to get a tax break?
It wouldn’t be the legal system. It would be the IRS at the directive of the president/congress/senate or something - not judges in courtrooms.
They wrote the tax break to apply to extremely high incomes. Pretty simple.
Once again, where have you been for the last 5 years ? These topics were all over the news daily for years, as well as discussed on these forums.. and then you ask very basic questions about them as if you’ve never heard of any of this. That’s why very few people respond to these questions - people aren’t all that interested in re-explaining the entire trump presidency to you if you didn’t pay attention to even any of the really big highly publicized things he said and did.
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14 Mar 2022, 11:24 am
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Oh okay I see... Why does the US legal system allow for a President to give tax breaks to whatever group of people he wants without some sort of due process from the people. Seems like something needs to be changed there?
Because that's the power a us president has. The thing that changes is s/he loses the next election if people aren't happy with his/her decisions.
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