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10 Sep 2008, 9:51 pm

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Is Atheism Satanism?

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No it is simply a different way of thinking. The idea of gods and devils can be somewhat silly, the supposed amazing things that are in their names cannot really be proven. They have to be accepted on faith and faith alone. Religion has nothing to do with working out how the world works. It has a lot to do with fear and in the earlier times to make more sense of world. However making sense doesn't mean they got it right. Today religion no longer makes more sense but rather to it eridicate our fears of what will happen will we die. Will we disappear from existence or continue on in some form or the other, whether it reincarination or heaven and its opposite hell. It doesn't matter has long it serves its purpose.

Another reality is that no religion is perfect and in fact those tend to follow their religion to the letter become real threats to society. Yet, maybe we all have no idea how to really interpet these religions. Maybe we are all wrong or right. Anywho, I think it makes more sense to be free of all those idea and to forge your own path. Why should we keep following in the same path? Will it get any better, this world, if we do? Of course not. We need to try a different path. Yes, we may fall but what you do is you get back up and try again. Countries runed by religion are the worst kind. They tend to be intolerant of others and possibly discriminate amongst their own kind. When the united states was formed they knew this. They made it so any anyone of any religion could have their say in what government should do their country and not one religion.

Unfortunately, christianity seems to dominate the USA and thus a bais is formed against the minorities. Sad that, but I suppose that will always be the case until we learn to make choices based on what we really need and not the dictates of any religion. I honestly can't see why religion are precived as morally correct. Morality is separate from religion. Morality overall doesn't exist. What morality does exist is our own indivdual rules to how we live our lives. No one should follow others if they aren't being true to themselves. Just because a religion commands that you don't kill or steal or lie or anything consider by popular opinion doesn't man it is the foundation of all morality. Ask yourself how many have commited terrible acts and still call themselves christian, islamic or whatever? Sadly they acted in a way that they truely believed to be morally correct, otherwise they wouldn't of done it. If the defination of morally is what is right or wrong, then it is a poor one indeed. Morality can't be described in such black and white terms. What is right or wrong? Would you agree with a neighbour or trust in yourself?

To call atheisim is satanism is complete, bull&*( okay?



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10 Sep 2008, 10:02 pm

no. im part of nothingeism. the belief in not giving a damn about religion period.



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10 Sep 2008, 11:43 pm

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11 Sep 2008, 12:15 am

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God didn't speak English?

Oh God. [facepalm]

What a typical Aspie thing to say.

God is kind of beyond all language-barriers, don'tcha think?

Except the Bible was written in Hebrew (at least, this part was) so the words have the Hebrew meaning. This isn't difficult. :?

Right, there has to be a reason why most seminaries demand that their students learn some of the original languages. I mean, things like that aren't likely to be just fluff.



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11 Sep 2008, 12:22 am

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I think Calvinism may be in that category, IMO. Predestination, Biblical predestination, where God foreknows who will belong to Him, is valid, but it is not for lack of free will but because of God's eternal perspective. That's my opinion.

But as Orwell often argues against this, Newcomb's paradox, which is a problem defined with free will and a divine-like foreknowledge tends to show the conclusion that free will under such situations cannot exist due to the existence, and in this case, the necessity, of reverse causation.



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11 Sep 2008, 12:24 am

DiabloDave363 wrote:
no. im part of nothingeism. the belief in not giving a damn about religion period.

Then you're basically agnostic considering you don't care either way.



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11 Sep 2008, 12:33 am

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"To murder," and "to kill."

Only an Aspie twit would argue semantics here. We all know they mean the same damn thing.


From Wikipedia:
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Murder is the unlawful killing of another human person with malice aforethought, as defined in Common Law countries. Murder is generally distinguished from other forms of homicide by the elements of malice aforethought and the lack of lawful justification. All jurisdictions, ancient and modern, consider it a most serious crime and therefore impose severe penalty on its commission.


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To kill, killing or to have killed means to cause the death of a living organism.

The act of killing an animal, plant, or other life form can be said to have occurred when an outside force, usually another life form, has done something to cause it to die. This may be a result of several actions:

* a deliberate action such as war
* in the case of animals, slaughter; see slaughterhouse
* the result of a criminal act, the action or fault of another human being, see homicide and murder
* the results of an accident, such as a car crash. See negligent homicide
* suicide (to kill oneself)


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11 Sep 2008, 2:00 am

this threads going off topic

anybody have a TRANSLATED version of the satanic verses?

also i believe christians throw the "satanism" label on foreign countries that are so deprived they have resorted to cannibalism etc, as people from the outside would consider their living conditions "Evil", but thats just a guess



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11 Sep 2008, 5:07 am

z0rp wrote:
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no. im part of nothingeism. the belief in not giving a damn about religion period.

Then you're basically agnostic considering you don't care either way.

no. im nothing. no religion at all.



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11 Sep 2008, 5:11 am

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i believe christians throw the "satanism" label on foreign countries that are so deprived they have resorted to cannibalism etc, as people from the outside would consider their living conditions "Evil", but thats just a guess


Not I nor ANY fellow Christian that I've ever met said anything like that.



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11 Sep 2008, 10:31 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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i believe christians throw the "satanism" label on foreign countries that are so deprived they have resorted to cannibalism etc, as people from the outside would consider their living conditions "Evil", but thats just a guess


Not I nor ANY fellow Christian that I've ever met said anything like that.


True, not those exact words. But how many fundamentalist Christians denounce Mohamed as a demon-inspired pedophile? Or denounce Buddha as a satanic plan to help the devil fill up the pits of hell? That is pretty common in certain Christian circles - it is very much a binary view of the world, where they think they know the truth, while everyone outside of their circle of ideological comfort are puppets of satan.



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11 Sep 2008, 11:58 am

Is that so farfetched?



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11 Sep 2008, 12:11 pm

slowmutant wrote:
Is that so farfetched?



You're damn Right it is! claiming to know the truth and refusing to demonstrate it to nonbelievers.
But hey, thats what religion is all about. :D BTW, since WHEN did Satan say that its ok to worship him AND deny
his very existance in the first place??? Satan has big ego you know, surely he wants to be acknowledged just like God does.
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11 Sep 2008, 12:13 pm

Faith is not farfetched at all. If you don't have, you simply don't have it. :?



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11 Sep 2008, 12:26 pm

Quite right. It's like HIV or measles or athlete's foot.



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11 Sep 2008, 12:35 pm

Sand wrote:
Quite right. It's like HIV or measles or athlete's foot.

Life is an STD, you know.