Why is there so much liberal hate?

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Very true the hate Muslims has for the west goes back to the Crusades which Christians started to try and prevent the spread of Islam.

you have just shattered your entire argumentative style.

if you know there are exceptions any generalizations become null and void.

in denmark we have plenty of well educated immigrants, i have met more that were than i havemet there werent.
in fact the most immoral uneducated bastar i know in real life is a danish fundemetalist.


so should you be talking about groups of people? or groups of behavior?

even if you talk about groups of people i think there are too many variables unanswered for to make those generalizations.

QFT. I mean you have groups of people but they don't all agree/follow the same things.

This is such a ridiculous argument. Stalin is not all communists, not all communists are Marxists. There is no reason why you couldn't have a communist state which didn't close down the churches and slaughter the religious.

Hitler was a socialist, but nobody is killing the Jews in Europe today. Clement Atlee never suggested we murder all the gypsies and disabled people and homosexuals.

Not really it's just a fact of Communsit Geneocide.

No - I'm finally starting to get across to you, and I think that's a good thing. As I've stated earlier on this forum, generalisations serve to make the discussion more accessible. If I had to nuance everything I said up to a point where you couldn't question it anymore, the discussion would be over and writing a post would take me several hours. Those posts, additionally, would be very hard to read for anyone not directly in the business of responding to them.



Denmark, apart from your use of personal anecdote in absence of structurally-correct argumentation, is rather xenophobic for European standards. You receive fewer immigrants. Almost 90% of your population is of primarily-Danish descent. And that's amazing - it's below 80% Dutch here. Relatively speaking, you receive fewer muslims, and unlike the Dutch government, Denmark's has taken more measures than us to keep the wrong ones out and keep ethnic segregation and crime under control. I'm sure I could easily get along with the higher-educated ones, but those aren't exactly common here, or in Belgium, or in most countries with more open immigration policies.



Why? There has been plenty of research here since the subject was slowly losing a taboo. In an official study using data from the police, it turns out over 60% of Moroccan young men have been arrested once, followed closely by 55% of Antillean young men. That was the first time such a thing was allowed to be measured. Before that, we were not allowed to think that the figures exceeded ethnic Dutch young men by much.

Even things that would have been considered vile racism twenty years ago are allowed to be researched now. Another study indicated that at least 80% of mentally-retarded children in Amsterdam is either Turkish or Moroccan in ethnicity. Most of the cause was determined to be inbreeding and another variable being their parents having a considerably-lower level of intelligence than parents in other ethnic groups, two reasons that could also account for the much-higher percentage of children with schizophrenia and several physical handicaps among islamic minorities. Yes, islamic culture has even caused a large-scale genetic problem.

That hasn't been my experience. I will admit, I've read articles where Christians as a group are described in less than glowing descriptions, but for the most part, it's evangelicals and conservative Catholics who are more often than not targeted for criticism.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

No, it wasn't Christians who brought down the Twin Towers. But neither was it all Muslims, either.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Fair enough not to many people have a problem with moderate proestant christians in America,

you havent taken socioeconomic status into account, nor the political climate, any group under stress will experience more issues, calling for them to be thrown out of the country or not allowed to enter doesnt help in that matter.

here is a quick list from the behavioral criminology lab at the fbi




if you really want to convince anyone then do a proper examination of all these factors so you can sniff out the actual effects of ethnicity, most research i have seen on teh subject matter shows a higher correlation between poverty, population density and age (seperately) than race.

therer is so many variables with such far reaching consequences that i dont see how anyone can justify discrimination based upon it, and lets face it here, the second you start treating people differently beause of where they come from and not what they do you are discriminating, justified or not(not that i think anyone have ever done a good enough job of doing so, it would take millions of data samples from around the world collected in teh same scope)

also please come with some links to the studies mentioned in your post, this talk of genetical problems is unnerving to say the least.

Invoking the Bush/9-11 conspiracy theory are we?

What the f**k?
How the hell did you come up with the notion that I'm some insane truther?
I said it wasn't all Muslims. But I never said Muslim terrorists didn't do it.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Kraichgauer wrote:


U left it open for that.

No, I shall repeat - - neither was it all Muslims, either. That means not every Muslim had taken part in the attack, not that there were no Muslims involved.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Communist again? Russia has never been communist, it has simply had a series of dictatorships with different excuses.

That's an odd idea to entertain. We're not making them feel bad. They have more rights than us, they have cultural subsidies, they have taxpayer-funded islamic education, they can have their mosques funded in part by taxpayers, some criminal young men even got taxpayer-funded sailing trips for 'team building' and taxpayer-funded martial arts training, and one police department even refused to hire a white man, regardless of competence, in favour of a foreigner, and preferably also a woman. Thing is, there is little to no inbreeding in any other ethnic groups, and as a result a large majority of the population has only 20% of all officially-retarded children in Amsterdam, and even fewer non-recognised ones.



Ethnicity, not race. As far as I know, black Moroccans are equally likely to be involved in crime as more Arab-skinned ones.

Their economic conditions are worse than the national average, but on an international scale, they're better off than the majority groups in most other European countries. What is true, though, is that neighbourhoods tend to deteriorate in terms of structural integrity of buildings, crime rates and unemployment levels and stores start closing with offices becoming vacant as more and more non-European and non-Asian immigrants move in.

Their cultural factors play a giant role in that. After all, Chinese people tend to integrate, receive education and find a job within years of coming here, whereas Moroccans and Antilleans have been meandering about for sixty-odd years now and still form the bottom layer of society. Because of their distinctly-different culture and religion, they tend to be involved in self-chosen segregation. Housing companies tried to distribute them more evenly across regions, but they simply used their official houses for other purposes and sticked to 'their' neighbourhoods most of the time. They're shockingly lacking in contacts with ethnically-European groups, even though there have been countless initiatives to try and get them to. Chinese people, while receiving little to no help at all, have done this all by themselves in a matter of years and are now a very-respected minority.



It is. I'll quote some interesting excerpts from information I've found so far.







Unfortunately, these sources are all in Dutch, and only one of them has a translation available - into Berber and Arabic.