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05 Oct 2016, 1:22 pm

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Those are the kind of trivial issues you deal with on facebook. It's not real life.

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Facebook isn't real life.


Are you suggesting that the content on Facebook is fictional or purely virtual?

If Facebook isn't real life, neither is a conversation via phone call.

Whilst I personally steer clear of Facebook, that doesn't prevent me from understanding that for many (especially many with neurological conditions or anxiety disorders) it is the hub of their social lives; it's where they primarily maintain contact with friends and family.

Dismissing Facebook as "not real life" as a way of denying the experiences of others goes completely against those progressive values you like to exhibit. If you're not going to be consistent, you're not going to be taken seriously.



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05 Oct 2016, 1:36 pm

adifferentname wrote:
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Those are the kind of trivial issues you deal with on facebook. It's not real life.

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Facebook isn't real life.


Are you suggesting that the content on Facebook is fictional or purely virtual?

If Facebook isn't real life, neither is a conversation via phone call.

Whilst I personally steer clear of Facebook, that doesn't prevent me from understanding that for many (especially many with neurological conditions or anxiety disorders) it is the hub of their social lives; it's where they primarily maintain contact with friends and family.

Dismissing Facebook as "not real life" as a way of denying the experiences of others goes completely against those progressive values you like to exhibit. If you're not going to be consistent, you're not going to be taken seriously.

You get a distorted view of life, like looking at it through a tiny peephole. People interact with the interface in different ways than they would in reality. It's like judging society by the comments section of YouTube.



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05 Oct 2016, 1:47 pm

Facebook is not real life---because people use it to hide behind the anonymity of the Internet. People frequently become a cartoon version of themselves.



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05 Oct 2016, 1:57 pm

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You get a distorted view of life, like looking at it through a tiny peephole. People interact with the interface in different ways than they would in reality. It's like judging society by the comments section of YouTube.


Facebook and Youtube are not even remotely comparable. They're two completely different platforms.

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Facebook is not real life---because people use it to hide behind the anonymity of the Internet. People frequently become a cartoon version of themselves.


You're thinking of 4chan.

The overwhelming majority of accounts on Facebook are in the owners actual name, complete with identifying geographical and background information, making it all but impossible to hide behind a veil of anonymity. This is why there have been so many successful prosecutions of people posting on Facebook.

Seriously, do you even internet, brah?



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05 Oct 2016, 2:04 pm

That's not what I meant. Of course I know the nature of Facebook, Brah.

I meant....as in other Forums (perhaps including this one), people on Facebook have been known to adopt a cartoonish persona unrestrained by having to SEE the person they are conversing with.



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05 Oct 2016, 2:34 pm

Anyway, here we have yet another example that SJW is being used to denigrate all liberal ideas, not just ineffectual on-line blowhards having a fit about a word. It's being used on feminism, anti-rape counseling, and anti-discrimination teaching.



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05 Oct 2016, 2:48 pm

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Unfortunately, your complaints are the result of misunderstanding and distortion of the actual thing for political gain.

What's wrong with teaching little boys to respect women? Nothing. This sort of training could go a long way to preventing campus rape and violence later in life. Of course, conservatives freak out about feminism, and so they call it "teaching little boys that they are inherently sexist rapists" f**k that s**t.

Same with teaching about white privilege and inherent bias.

"Meanwhile, white kids are herded into separate classrooms and taught to raise their “awareness of the prevalence of Whiteness and privilege,” challenge “notions of colorblindness (and) assumptions of ‘normal,’ ‘good,’ and ‘American’” and “understand and own European ancestry and see the tie to privilege.”"

Sounds good to me. Colorblind racism is all over this forum, white idiots pretending that all they have to do is announce that everyone is equal. It's a form a racist denial. It's a whitewashing of American culture. A trivial gesture that makes them feel better about themselves while disallowing any acknowledgement of the racist culture where blacks names on resumes get 50% less callbacks from the same qualifications. Don't tell me we don't need some education in this regard.

Microaggression training. So they point out certain subtle things that belittle people. So what.

Refusing to hire men. Again, so what. Men are overrepresented in STEM. But men's rights! Give me a break.

What's really happening is you can no longer easily get away with being a horrible sexist and racist person, you have to look out for the feelings of others. Whaaa.

White people are in the majority, and saying they need to do things about their culture isn't the same thing as saying blacks are impotent to address any of these problems too. These are conservative attempts at counter-propaganda. While at the same time they undermine minority voting rights, and seek to create a government small enough to allow a small powerful elite of white Christians to dominate the country. Wake the f**k up, you are being conned.

So refusing to hire blacks is a big deal to you but refusing to hire men is nothing to you. Because of "overrepresentation."

So I guess we should stop hiring black players in the NBA and the NFL because they're grossly overrepresented?



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05 Oct 2016, 2:51 pm

"anti-rape counseling" (and other similar things) before anything wrong has happened actually is a very bad thing


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05 Oct 2016, 2:55 pm

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Anyway, here we have yet another example that SJW is being used to denigrate all liberal ideas, not just ineffectual on-line blowhards having a fit about a word. It's being used on feminism, anti-rape counseling, and anti-discrimination teaching.

Sounds good to me, if those three things are what I think they are!



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05 Oct 2016, 3:02 pm

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"anti-rape counseling" (and other similar things) before anything wrong has happened actually is a very bad thing


And in a similar vein, no one should try to make peace until after war has started. People should not buy weapons for self defense until after they have been assaulted or killed, people should only back up hard drives after data loss and only insure goods and property after catastrophic damage.

Is that the idea?


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05 Oct 2016, 3:13 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
That's not what I meant. Of course I know the nature of Facebook, Brah.

I meant....as in other Forums (perhaps including this one), people on Facebook have been known to adopt a cartoonish persona unrestrained by having to SEE the person they are conversing with.


Well, say what you mean then, brah! :lol:

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And in a similar vein, no one should try to make peace until after war has started. People should not buy weapons for self defense until after they have been assaulted or killed, people should only back up hard drives after data loss and only insure goods and property after catastrophic damage.

Is that the idea?


False analogy. In each of your scenarios the onus is on the individual to take measures to avoid becoming a victim. What's taking place in those classrooms is not remotely similar.



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05 Oct 2016, 3:17 pm

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It's being used on feminism


It's being used on "feminists". Specifically those who promote social justice dogma.

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anti-rape counseling


Clear misnomer. "Child abuse" would be more appropriate.

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and anti-discrimination teaching.


"Anti-discrimination teaching" that starts with the premise that white people are born with original sin.



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05 Oct 2016, 3:22 pm

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anagram wrote:
"anti-rape counseling" (and other similar things) before anything wrong has happened actually is a very bad thing


And in a similar vein, no one should try to make peace until after war has started. People should not buy weapons for self defense until after they have been assaulted or killed, people should only back up hard drives after data loss and only insure goods and property after catastrophic damage.

Is that the idea?

I think the anti-rape counseling here is the whole teach men not to rape thing. Though adifferentname's post may mean it's something else. I don't know why you'd teach children not to rape, you don't want anything to do with people that way until puberty begins.

What you're talking about would be the equivalent of preventative measures, to reduce the likelihood of you being raped, which are a very good thing. You don't see people saying they shouldn't have to lock doors, cars or windows because the thief shouldn't steal. The thief is going to steal and the rapist is going to rape if opportunity presents itself.



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05 Oct 2016, 3:38 pm

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And in a similar vein, no one should try to make peace until after war has started. People should not buy weapons for self defense until after they have been assaulted or killed, people should only back up hard drives after data loss and only insure goods and property after catastrophic damage.

Is that the idea?

not at all (although when it comes to guns, i do believe that they're rarely effective as self-defense. but then again, i'm not american. where i come from, people actually associate guns with either criminals or the police / the military)

proper education infused with constructive values is one thing, implied accusations are another. and that's where the problem lies. if you accuse someone, they won't learn anything, they'll just get angry. and if they're angry and they're constantly reminded of what they're not supposed to do, guess what they'll be more likely to do than before

sure, the actual perpetrators are still responsible and accountable for their actions just the same, regardless of all the indirect cause-and-effect involved. but who cares. it's not a matter of "i told you so". or, well... at least it's not supposed to be. and that's the problem of sjw's and the problem with the ideas and policies that they advocate, in a nutshell. the underlying principle of those ideas is that "who's right" matters more than what works and what doesn't. and that's a battle that can only be won by the loudest screamer. objectivity, sincere dialogue and sensible compromise only get in the way


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05 Oct 2016, 3:50 pm

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And in a similar vein, no one should try to make peace until after war has started....
Is that the idea?


False analogy. In each of your scenarios the onus is on the individual to take measures to avoid becoming a victim. What's taking place in those classrooms is not remotely similar.


Nope.

Attempts to prevent war by establishing systems of diplomacy to handle international conflict is not a scenario where the onus is on the individual to take measures to avoid becoming a victim.

This doesn't fit into one of those statist/anti-statist ideological frameworks.

Like insurance, it's about noting statistical patterns and taking action in concert with others to try to mitigate risk.


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05 Oct 2016, 3:52 pm

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proper education infused with constructive values is one thing, implied accusations are another.


So what you're saying is that because attempts at rape prevention might not be done well, they should not be attempted at all?

Or is it that because there is a possibility that such classes might not be well presented, it's inevitable that they will fail?


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