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27 Jan 2017, 12:04 pm

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I'm planning to buy Insane Clown President, Matt Taibbi's compiled campaign trail coverage. I don't expect a Great Shark Hunt, but maybe.


Thanks for suggestion. I tend to read non-current stuff and need to catch up to current. I'll try reading this Matt Taibbi guy, if I can stand the subject matter. Or, I'll wait till the termite is out of the White House and then read.



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27 Jan 2017, 1:07 pm

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Is Trump trying to start a war with Mexico?

Trump proposes big import tax, triggering fight with Mexico


Remember the Alamo!

Remember the people who were there before the Alamo.
https://academic.udayton.edu/race/02rights/guadalu3.htm


Just because Spain threw down a flag there a couple hundreds years before does not mean that the new country of Mexico owned it. There was no significant Mexican population in these northern states which contained more Americans at the point of their annexation. Texas had declared and won it's independence which Mexico did not officially recognize, this eventually led to war between the US and Mexico but Mexico did shoot first.

Why doesn't Spain get guilted for it's colonial past? Who do you think founded the country of Mexico? It wasn't a bunch of Mayans.



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27 Jan 2017, 1:15 pm

I feel worried by Trump's language: If you saw what was voting illegally. It's dehumanizing language, and we all know how narcissists operate.

Live presser with May


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27 Jan 2017, 1:22 pm

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Live presser with May

She is handling what could be awkward very gracefully.



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27 Jan 2017, 1:25 pm

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... m-nonciti/

study says that Hillary got at least 800k votes from noncitizens

This is a significant number and could of change the outcome of any number of races, they speculate that 81% of illegals voted for Hillary and I'd wager is probably a conservative estimate. Trump's statement about millions of illegal votes carries water and warrants further investigation.


How many more additional votes were fraudulent on top of this is a question too, this is just an estimate based on how many illegals voted. Consider how concentrated these populations are, this seriously changed the outcome of elections no doubt.



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27 Jan 2017, 1:40 pm

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I didn't say the sky was falling, but things so far aren't looking 'better' under trump that is for sure.

No, of course you didn't use those exact words ("the sky is falling"), but your saying "Well this is B.S, I guess science and facts are 'offensive' to the trump administration.", when your own link said the order had already been rescinded, was as-good-as, IMO, because any cause for alarm, had already PASSED. I mean, look it, you had sheeple on this thread, who didn't read the article, EITHER, following-along right behind you.

Also, this business of "things so far aren't looking 'better' under trump", is seemingly throwing-out the baby with the bath water and is RIDICULOUS, IMO----ESPECIALLY, since he did NOT send the order, and you would've known that, had you read your own link!!

Yes facts are offensive to the Trump administration. Why do you think Kellyanne had to come up with the term "alternative facts?"

Yes, "alternative facts" was a bit unfortunate (I heard her say it, live, as I have a standing date with Chuck Todd ["Meet the Press"], every Sunday), because it has become a bit of a meme, now (like, "basket of deplorables"), and I really feel what she meant was: "Here's another way of looking at it"----and, I DON'T agree with Chuck that "alternative facts" = lies, necessarily. I mean, look it, it is a fact that tomatoes are, in fact, FRUIT----it is ALSO a fact, that most people refer to them as vegetables, and they are located in the vegetable section, in grocery stores; NEITHER of those things are not "not fact", it's just another way of looking at it.

Why did Spicer spend his first press conference lying through his teeth?

I don't believe he DID----because on the very same episode of "Meet the Press", that I watched (that Kellyanne Conway was on), Tom Barrack (Inaugural Committee Chairman) said it was HIS fault that Spicer / President Trump, thought the way they did:

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/tom-barrack-crowd-size-controversy-starts-with-me-860174915688


Trump still can't let go of the FACT that his inauguration crowd was dwarfed by Obama's inauguration or the Women's March.

I don't know that it IS a "fact". I've read / heard that President Obama's inauguration crowd was, like, 1.4 million, and I've heard everything from 800,000 - 1.2 million, in regard to President Trump's crowd (and only 500,000, for the Women's March)----I wouldn't exactly call that "dwarfed", per se (even if it was only 800,000).

The picture of the President Trump's inauguration crowd that has been floating-around the Internet----and, has been posted, HERE----is, quite possibly, IMO, NOT a "proper" representation of the crowd (INTENTIONALLY, IMO). The picture is looking TOWARD where President Trump is, and is from WAAAAAY back, on the mall. ANOTHER picture of the crowd, viewed from over President Trump's shoulder, is a better representation, IMO, and I feel confident that the picture is real (IOW, not intentionally misleading, as the aforementioned one, is, IMO), because it is the one that was given to President Trump (he showed it, during the ABC interview, that I watched, the other night).


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Now, grant it, there seems to be a few people-less areas, all-the-way-back, as it gets closer to the monument----but, again, I wouldn't call it "dwarfed". Don't get me wrong, I must admit that I'm getting a little tired of President Trump talking about it----but, look it..... If he is, indeed, an Aspie (as I and others suspect), Aspies LIVE-for FACT, and if President Trump believes it's a fact that his crowd was, at least, as big as President Obama's, then he's gonna fight for that----look at all the locking-horns that takes-place on HERE, with NEITHER President Trump supporters, or Hillary Clinton supporters willing to give, even an INCH (generally speaking, of course); and, yes, none of us are running the country, but President Trump is only human, like the rest of us.

Why did Trump call Climate Change a Chinese hoax when 97% of scientists say it is real and humans are driving it?

I've heard this, before, that President Trump said this----but, because *I* don't recall hearing him say it, MYSELF (and, can't watch a video of it, because I have limited bandwidth), I can't address it.

Considering everything that has been said and done in the last two months the statement "things so far aren't looking 'better' under trump" is a perfectly reasonable one to make.

I didn't take what she said as regarding "the last two months", because she said: "under trump"----and "under trump" has only been in effect, for the last SEVEN DAYS (I don't regard "President-Elect", as being "under trump"); and I DON'T agree that it's reasonable. What in God's name are these people, who share this sentiment, gonna do----like, are they gonna be "crying" EVERY SINGLE DAY, for the next 4 years. It's a terrible waste of energy, IMO, because we truly DON'T know how this situation, is gonna pan-out----and, if (if, If, IF) he turns-out to be one of the best presidents we've ever had (anything's possible, IMO), I will NOT be able to get ENOUGH of laughing at everybody, going so hog-wild-ridiculous, right now.



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27 Jan 2017, 2:14 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
EzraS wrote:
androbot01 wrote:
Is Trump trying to start a war with Mexico?

Trump proposes big import tax, triggering fight with Mexico


Remember the Alamo!

Remember the people who were there before the Alamo.
https://academic.udayton.edu/race/02rights/guadalu3.htm


Just because Spain threw down a flag there a couple hundreds years before does not mean that the new country of Mexico owned it. There was no significant Mexican population in these northern states which contained more Americans at the point of their annexation. Texas had declared and won it's independence which Mexico did not officially recognize, this eventually led to war between the US and Mexico but Mexico did shoot first.

Why doesn't Spain get guilted for it's colonial past? Who do you think founded the country of Mexico? It wasn't a bunch of Mayans.

I wasn't talking about Spain.There were people there before they Spaniards arrived.Later on some mixed with the Spanish.So land region that is now called Mexico and Texas didn't have people residing there when the Spanish arrived?No great cities?LOL!! No cultures?Maybe you should brush up on your history of the Americas.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coahuiltecan_people


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27 Jan 2017, 2:27 pm

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I didn't say the sky was falling, but things so far aren't looking 'better' under trump that is for sure.

No, of course you didn't use those exact words ("the sky is falling"), but your saying "Well this is B.S, I guess science and facts are 'offensive' to the trump administration.", when your own link said the order had already been rescinded, was as-good-as, IMO, because any cause for alarm, had already PASSED. I mean, look it, you had sheeple on this thread, who didn't read the article, EITHER, following-along right behind you.

Also, this business of "things so far aren't looking 'better' under trump", is seemingly throwing-out the baby with the bath water and is RIDICULOUS, IMO----ESPECIALLY, since he did NOT send the order, and you would've known that, had you read your own link!!


Even if it got rescinded it still happened, so I still find it to be concerning....if they can just silence that sort of thing at a whim its not a good thing what is to say it wont happen again? Also I read the link and it still implies the orders came from his administration even if it wasn't directly Trump himself...not sure trump even is the worst of his own administration.

But regardless of this which maybe isn't quite as serious as I was thinking, I still can't say I've heard of anything good trump has done....what bullying mexico?


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27 Jan 2017, 2:29 pm

Today March For Life.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/27/ma ... atter.html


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27 Jan 2017, 2:41 pm

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Same quantity and quality of coverage as the Women's March, not proportional to crowd size or anything.


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27 Jan 2017, 3:10 pm

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-800000-votes-from-nonciti/

study says that Hillary got at least 800k votes from noncitizens

This is a significant number and could of change the outcome of any number of races, they speculate that 81% of illegals voted for Hillary and I'd wager is probably a conservative estimate. Trump's statement about millions of illegal votes carries water and warrants further investigation.


How many more additional votes were fraudulent on top of this is a question too, this is just an estimate based on how many illegals voted. Consider how concentrated these populations are, this seriously changed the outcome of elections no doubt.

Pretty shocking, although I think "at least 800k" is a misleading presentation. The equivalent figure in 2008 was 620k, but with a range from 38k to 2.8m. So expect a similar range on a comprehensive report this time.

I do think the numbers at the high end fail basic credibility checks. The registration system would have to be absolutely terrible to let that many people register without checking whether they were eligible. Surely you should have to give your Social Security number or passport number or something when you register? I know one of the Dakotas doesn't have registration so perhaps that one state skews it.

If it is a problem, then the obvious solution is probably to just let all residents vote. If the current system isn't working despite being one of the strictest in the world, then you need to start changing the definition of fraud. It's a bit weird to stop a load of adult Americans voting because they don't have legal citizenship or because they have a felony conviction or they don't have an ID. There are similar problems in this country but America has it extraordinarily bad. In addition to those 20m adult non-citizens, there are about 6m disenfranchised adults who are legally citizens. That's shocking and a much bigger problem. Kill two birds with one stone and just let them all vote.



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27 Jan 2017, 3:15 pm

Looking back at how Obama treated the Press and Talk Radio......

Why It'll Be Hard for Trump to Surpass Obama's Record of Chilling Press Freedom. http://tiny.iavian.net/ey26


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27 Jan 2017, 3:24 pm

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It's a bit weird to stop a load of adult Americans voting because they don't have legal citizenship

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27 Jan 2017, 3:34 pm

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It's a bit weird to stop a load of adult Americans voting because they don't have legal citizenship

8O

A lot of those people have lived in America for decades, paid taxes, worked hard, and generally contributed to society. To then say "well, you don't have the right paperwork so you don't get a say" is, to my mind, a perversion of liberty.

Similar problems in the UK, so I'm not throwing stones (although we're a bit better when it comes to local elections). Let's start granting the right to vote based on residency, not what it says on your passport. I'd rather have someone living here but not a citizen voting than a citizen who's upped sticks to Spain or Australia.



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27 Jan 2017, 3:40 pm

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It's a bit weird to stop a load of adult Americans voting because they don't have legal citizenship

8O


Because they are NOT Americans. That is all I am going to say about that.


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