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20 Feb 2013, 4:36 am

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If aggressive/creepy men who overstepped women's boundaries were castrated, there would be more women for me. Can't say I object to this proposition. :lol:


I think I responded to one of your posts before, I recognize the avatar. Don't think I'm following you around, I just saw this thread and your post and had to reply.

While you may be being facetious, to play devil's advocate, who's to say you wouldn't be one of those "creepy" men who gets castrated in the first place? Food for thought.



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20 Feb 2013, 8:10 am

ripped wrote:
That it is the difference
between the genders
that is the source
of their attraction
and the way
that those differences
compliment
each other.


A little play on words in thy poem?

Perhaps the word you intended was complement, although complimenting each other also has its place in courtship.



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22 Feb 2013, 4:38 pm

It's meant to be complement.



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05 May 2013, 9:19 am

Getting back to the original topic about feminism in Sweden

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybqmye4i974[/youtube]

It does seem a bit extreme over there.



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08 Oct 2013, 5:53 pm

Interesting article about a fat middle-aged man in Utah who found a lovely wife in Ukraine

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/56879 ... csp?page=1

The story turned into a promotional video for the dating site that brought them together.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41weeyFbF9c[/youtube]

And, the Feminist responses

http://www.bustle.com/articles/5967-pos ... his-dreams

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...Wanna read something that might make you vomit a little this morning? ....The Salt Lake Tribune today ran a long article on "overseas dating," which is the euphemism it's using for men seeking the modern-day equivalent of mail order Russian brides....

...It's beyond silly to stereotype entire countries of women, but men like Adams seem oblivious to that. Nor do they seem to grasp how much the power differentials play into international "dating" dynamics. Many of the women using these sites want to escape bad circumstances in their own countries and gain green cards to the United States. Of course they're going to be more pliant, more submissive to their potential American husbands — but no no no, it must be some sort of fundamental difference between U.S. and foreign women!...


http://jezebel.com/utah-man-sick-of-dep ... 1426611064

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Utah Man 'Sick' of Depraved American Women Finds Foreign Bride Online

One Utah man has bravely gone where no man has gone before: online, in search of a foreign bride who looks like a model but has the values of his grandmother. These matrimony-worthy prizes do not exist in the den of iniquity that is the United States, so he found her in Ukraine, and is now, happily, the King of overseas dating.

Nathan Adams, a 45-year-old aircraft mechanic, found Elena Adamchiyk, a native of Ukraine, on Anastasia.com, the largest international online-dating company in the world (the Moscow-based company projected earnings of $140 million this year). The website is running a sappy campaign portraying the wholesome couple as the ultimate love story to counter criticism that international dating is for creepy rich dudes who want subservient wives — or, alternately (slash simultaneously), for devious strumpets who want to come to the U.S. by any means possible.

.....I'd like to keep ribbing on Adams, who was clearly searching for a compliant, deferential wife, not an equal — why else use a site where women don't have to pay? — and being so goddamn picky about it. ("He didn’t want women age 30 or younger because, in his experience, they’re interested in clubbing. He didn’t want a woman older than 36 because he believes most have already reared children and aren’t interested in mothering a young child.")

....Even if the relationship isn't as lovey-dovey as the dating site that brought them together would like us to believe, dating is often an exercise in exploitation locally, too.

If he turns out to be a controlling dick, let's hope she's just in it for the visa. Ah, romance!


Boy, Feminists can sure get catty, can't they?



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08 Oct 2013, 9:03 pm

I find your posts to be very informative :D



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09 Oct 2013, 6:19 am

Thank you. 8)



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09 Oct 2013, 7:58 am

The discussions that follow the Jezebel article are entertaining to read. The buzzword "subservient" gets used over and over. Most of them really hate this guy, and wish him the worst. However, one of them admits

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Reading about anyone's search for the perfect significant other is bad. Like when reading women's dating website profiles where they want a 6'8'' man who makes 200k a year who can cook, clean, and does romantic things every 15 minutes.


Women don't stop being women just by becoming Feminists. However, certain less-than-pleasant feminine traits (e.g., cattiness, bossiness, judgmentalism, aggressiveness) do seem to become more exaggerated among the Feminists.



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09 Oct 2013, 12:57 pm

I think I have a theory to one of the core flaws of feminism.
As most of us here know the brain is not just one simple system. It actually is a multitude of systems built on top of each other.
The reptilian brain, low level stuff like breathing, sweating, reflexes and sexuality. Most of this stuff is automatic with little or no control from the high level systems, what is commonly associated with personality, things learned.

So you can have a man and a woman with identical personalities, that is high level stuff, but still have very different low level stuff, the obvious beings to do with sexuality. The systems that control sexuality are complex and hooked into all kinds of things. It has a very big influence on us. Feminist have asserted that sexuality is cultural and this difference can be eliminated.

It is also asserted the gayness is also a hard wired, that is it is a low level system that is not possible for a person to directly control. Feminist will accept this but at the same time say normal hetero women/men are not affected by there own hardwired sexuality.



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09 Oct 2013, 1:36 pm

Amazing how many 'experts' on feminism seem never to actually have talked to many real feminists.



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09 Oct 2013, 1:57 pm

An interesting perspective here

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/24/war-on-men/

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....a subculture of men who’ve told me, in no uncertain terms, that they’re never getting married. When I ask them why, the answer is always the same: Women aren’t women anymore.

To say gender relations have changed dramatically is an understatement. Ever since the sexual revolution, there has been a profound overhaul in the way men and women interact. Men haven’t changed much – they had no revolution that demanded it – but women have changed dramatically.

In a nutshell, women are angry. They’re also defensive, though often unknowingly. That’s because they’ve been raised to think of men as the enemy. Armed with this new attitude, women pushed men off their pedestal (women had their own pedestal, but feminists convinced them otherwise) and climbed up to take what they were taught to believe was rightfully theirs.

Now the men have nowhere to go.

It is precisely this dynamic – women good/men bad – that has destroyed the relationship between the sexes. Yet somehow, men are still to blame when love goes awry. Heck, men have been to blame since feminists first took to the streets in the 1970s....

... after decades of browbeating the American male, men are tired. Tired of being told there’s something fundamentally wrong with them. Tired of being told that if women aren’t happy, it’s men’s fault.

Contrary to what feminists like Hanna Rosin, author of The End of Men, say, the so-called rise of women has not threatened men. It has pissed them off....



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09 Oct 2013, 2:01 pm

^yeah, I saw that when it came out.

Pedestals are not comfortable places, regardless of which object d'art they're meant for. Far better for everyone to walk and run on the ground.



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09 Oct 2013, 5:03 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
An interesting perspective here

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/24/war-on-men/

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....a subculture of men who’ve told me, in no uncertain terms, that they’re never getting married. When I ask them why, the answer is always the same: Women aren’t women anymore.

To say gender relations have changed dramatically is an understatement. Ever since the sexual revolution, there has been a profound overhaul in the way men and women interact. Men haven’t changed much – they had no revolution that demanded it – but women have changed dramatically.

In a nutshell, women are angry. They’re also defensive, though often unknowingly. That’s because they’ve been raised to think of men as the enemy. Armed with this new attitude, women pushed men off their pedestal (women had their own pedestal, but feminists convinced them otherwise) and climbed up to take what they were taught to believe was rightfully theirs.

Now the men have nowhere to go.

It is precisely this dynamic – women good/men bad – that has destroyed the relationship between the sexes. Yet somehow, men are still to blame when love goes awry. Heck, men have been to blame since feminists first took to the streets in the 1970s....

... after decades of browbeating the American male, men are tired. Tired of being told there’s something fundamentally wrong with them. Tired of being told that if women aren’t happy, it’s men’s fault.

Contrary to what feminists like Hanna Rosin, author of The End of Men, say, the so-called rise of women has not threatened men. It has pissed them off....


Ditto that for men who blame all of their personal/romantic/financial unhappiness on women.


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09 Oct 2013, 5:19 pm

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ArrantPariah wrote:
An interesting perspective here

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/24/war-on-men/

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....a subculture of men who’ve told me, in no uncertain terms, that they’re never getting married. When I ask them why, the answer is always the same: Women aren’t women anymore.

To say gender relations have changed dramatically is an understatement. Ever since the sexual revolution, there has been a profound overhaul in the way men and women interact. Men haven’t changed much – they had no revolution that demanded it – but women have changed dramatically.

In a nutshell, women are angry. They’re also defensive, though often unknowingly. That’s because they’ve been raised to think of men as the enemy. Armed with this new attitude, women pushed men off their pedestal (women had their own pedestal, but feminists convinced them otherwise) and climbed up to take what they were taught to believe was rightfully theirs.

Now the men have nowhere to go.

It is precisely this dynamic – women good/men bad – that has destroyed the relationship between the sexes. Yet somehow, men are still to blame when love goes awry. Heck, men have been to blame since feminists first took to the streets in the 1970s....

... after decades of browbeating the American male, men are tired. Tired of being told there’s something fundamentally wrong with them. Tired of being told that if women aren’t happy, it’s men’s fault.

Contrary to what feminists like Hanna Rosin, author of The End of Men, say, the so-called rise of women has not threatened men. It has pissed them off....


Ditto that for men who blame all of their personal/romantic/financial unhappiness on women.


We blame it on culture not a gender that's what people like you don't seem to want to understand.



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09 Oct 2013, 5:23 pm

redriverronin wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
An interesting perspective here

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/24/war-on-men/

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....a subculture of men who’ve told me, in no uncertain terms, that they’re never getting married. When I ask them why, the answer is always the same: Women aren’t women anymore.

To say gender relations have changed dramatically is an understatement. Ever since the sexual revolution, there has been a profound overhaul in the way men and women interact. Men haven’t changed much – they had no revolution that demanded it – but women have changed dramatically.

In a nutshell, women are angry. They’re also defensive, though often unknowingly. That’s because they’ve been raised to think of men as the enemy. Armed with this new attitude, women pushed men off their pedestal (women had their own pedestal, but feminists convinced them otherwise) and climbed up to take what they were taught to believe was rightfully theirs.

Now the men have nowhere to go.

It is precisely this dynamic – women good/men bad – that has destroyed the relationship between the sexes. Yet somehow, men are still to blame when love goes awry. Heck, men have been to blame since feminists first took to the streets in the 1970s....

... after decades of browbeating the American male, men are tired. Tired of being told there’s something fundamentally wrong with them. Tired of being told that if women aren’t happy, it’s men’s fault.

Contrary to what feminists like Hanna Rosin, author of The End of Men, say, the so-called rise of women has not threatened men. It has pissed them off....


Ditto that for men who blame all of their personal/romantic/financial unhappiness on women.


We blame it on culture not a gender that's what people like you don't seem to want to understand.


Ditto that for men who blame their personal/romantic/financial unhappiness on "culture."


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09 Oct 2013, 8:48 pm

Another shrill Feminist take on Mr. Adams

http://slcfeminist.com/international-da ... ng-a-wife/

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If you’ve browsed the Salt Lake Tribune lately you might have been unfortunate enough to come across an article titled, “Sick of Utah women, dad is poster it for overseas dating.” The second I saw the title I had my concerns, because a man is sick of an ENTIRE POPULATION OF WOMEN. Whatever followed the title I was pretty sure that Utah women weren’t the problem for Mr. Nathan Adams.

Nathan Adams is a 45-year-old divorcee who says he “hates dating,” and he’s decided to circumvent the process by "purchasing/meeting" a Ukranian bride from the site AnastasiaDate.com. "Purchasing" isn’t the term Adams, or the proprietors of the site, would use, but what else do you call a site where only the men pay to participate?

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AnastasiaDate provides key services when you’re purchasing a wife, services like translation, because the women don’t speak the same language as their suitors. Adams told the Trib’s Kristen Moulton that he loves dating his fiancé, Elena Adamchiyk, because it is “like dating a model…who has the values of my grandmother.” Translation: I want a physically attractive women who will take care of me like Grammy did while I was still in short pants.

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If Adams isn’t a misogynistic imperialist, his “critiques” of Utah women fooled me. Those pesky Utah women, say things like, “I want this. I want that. I won’t tolerate this, I won’t tolerate that.” Translation: women, don’t want things or have boundaries! “If you’re dating someone local and … your relationship starts out with having sex with them, you’re not really their friend,” Adams explains. Just another reason he needed to date internationally, because he doesn’t know how to have sex and be friends with women.

Apparently, when he couldn’t find anyone who acted like a subservient sponge, he ventured into the world of international dating.



Ms. Adamchiyk seems like a wonderful woman who is more than happy to take on the responsibilities of raising Adams’ 6-year-old daughter, Vanessa. Adamchiyk explains that, “I want marriage. I don’t want Russian marriage.” Her desire for an “American marriage” stems from two failed relationships in the former Soviet Union where the men cheated on her, something she believes isn’t prevalent here.
AnastasiaDate specializes in the fetishization of many women abroad, with sister sites dedicated to matching men with Asian, Latin American, and African women. There is no doubt that some people might find love on these sites, but these relationships that begin with the men purchasing a woman’s time hardly seem like relationships at all. The Tribune’s profile of Nathan Adams and Elena Adamchiyk is hardly a glowing portrayal for AnastasiaDates, but we think it’s incredibly accurate, and exposes the mindset inherent in these transactions.

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