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17 Aug 2018, 1:12 pm

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This is not true at all as a socialist economy cannot create wealth. It can only distribute and reduce what is already available.

Which is why there are no rich Fins? You can have a mix of private enterprise and a progressive tax which lessens the very real danger to Democracy of concentrated wealth. European Democratic Socialist nations don't eliminate capitalism.


Agreed. I should clarify I don't believe in the absolute eradication of capitalism but I think that socialist policy should be at the forefront of all nations, since a governments priority should be its people and not its corporations.


You mean so we don't have a choice?

What if the people don't actually want socialism but want free-market capitalism instead? Countries can democratically try out socialism if they want. If it works for them, it works. Unfortunately, what we have now is... Zimbabwe. North Korea. Even Cuba has made considerable strides - it is far, far more capitalist than it was, and the tourist business is booming there.

I never said they don't have a choice, but democracy is an unfortunately flawed system that is undone these days by the widespread nature of outrage news, misinformation and outright denial of facts. There's no easy way to fix democratic functions without being a fascist oppressor but the way the system betrays common people is a headache. For example, if only one constituency manages to swing vote the parliament to conservative rule, the entire nation (of those that cannot afford private healthcare, transport, education, etc.) suffers because of it. This is unjust, regardless of political affiliation it is actively harmful to a large portion of the nation. Brexit is another good example, of the blind leading the blind to a situation that they believe will help them in some way, but it is driven by false promises and misinformation. Now we're stuck with a situation that even the conservatives can barely handle. An inept government handling a delicate issue forced through by an ill educated public, this is what democracy buys you. Again, you can't fix it because people are unfortunately free to be ignorant, myopic and to wield power as a result.

The only fixes are to better educate the public, to crack down hard on misinformation, and above all else is to fine tune human rights acts to ensure that governments feed the obligation to afford their public basic human rights like the right to healthcare as an example. Doesn't need to undermine capitalism, it just needs to take care of those who are often forgotten by conservative governments such as these.


I believe that North Korea is still a hard communist state. It's closest brother is more soft socialist I think, and I don't know much about it but I do know that they're at least relatively prosperous there.



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17 Aug 2018, 4:46 pm

Why does american television push lies about other countries?

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1029832098603888641?s=19



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17 Aug 2018, 5:26 pm

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Why does american television push lies about other countries?

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1029832098603888641?s=19


Sinclair broadcasting team and cause their soldiering right propaganda; unfit to be called for news


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17 Aug 2018, 7:33 pm

LOL, this didn't age well. Moore has always been one of the dumbest people on the planet.

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19 Aug 2018, 3:10 pm

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What about post WW2 US economy?


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20 Aug 2018, 5:16 pm

What about our own socialist institutions? The military, social security, and public assistance? All good things.



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20 Aug 2018, 6:19 pm

"capitalism with a human face" = third way managed capitalism with gov't intervention. the moneymen get to play in a gov't-supervised sandbox, nothing is allowed to get out of hand like it is here in amuuurica.



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20 Aug 2018, 6:25 pm

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The military


Personally, I prefer a defense force as opposed to a full blown military that is policing the world.


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23 Aug 2018, 9:48 am

Did capitalism ever crash? Oh yeah, big time. I guess that means it sucks too?



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23 Aug 2018, 2:49 pm

capitalism only works for capitalists, for everybody else it is a variable form of wage slavery.



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23 Aug 2018, 2:52 pm

This thread offends me a bit in that it suggests kids can't invent a better economic model.


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Lmao, ah man Darmok, I thought I've seen this picture somewhere when I saw it again this morning. Right-wing propaganda's mental poison, take your life back from these grifters

https://twitter.com/drmistercody/status ... 5889106944


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24 Aug 2018, 4:15 pm

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Lmao, ah man Darmok, I thought I've seen this picture somewhere when I saw it again this morning. Right-wing propaganda's mental poison, take your life back from these grifters

https://twitter.com/drmistercody/status ... 5889106944


So 2 of those pics are in America.

Well if the posters aim is to warn people off whatever political system is in place to create that then he needs to be warning people not to vote for the systems that America has.



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