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27 Jan 2017, 6:19 pm

Just saw on Fox that President Trump decided to take a back seat to the torture topic and let the man he put in that position (who has more experience on the subject) to make the decision. The Left should be happy about that. This proves that Trump is willing to step aside and let someone else who has more experience make the decision and he will back them up. That doesn't sound like a narcissist to me.


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27 Jan 2017, 6:23 pm

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A lot of those people have lived in America for decades, paid taxes, worked hard, and generally contributed to society. To then say "well, you don't have the right paperwork so you don't get a say" is, to my mind, a perversion of liberty.

Liberty is ONLY granted to CITIZENS!! Every other country has citizenship rules, I don't see why our having them, should be any different!!

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I'd rather have someone living here but not a citizen voting than a citizen who's upped sticks to Spain or Australia.

I'd rather have NEITHER----unless the person who has "upped sticks", is, say, working overseas at an AMERICAN company, or in a capacity that is in aid to AMERICANS; NOT an ex-patriot!!




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27 Jan 2017, 6:31 pm

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I am tired of people thinking that America should be a free-for-all - especially people who do not live here.

I agree----and, I'd like to add that I am sick-and-tired of people coming over here and telling us how stupid and lazy they think we are, and playing us for everything they can think-of; if they don't like us / our country, then I'll gladly show them the door----nobody asked them to come here; be grateful, or GET OUT (and, there ARE some that are grateful, and I don't have a problem, with them)! !






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27 Jan 2017, 6:32 pm

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It's a bit weird to stop a load of adult Americans voting because they don't have legal citizenship...

If they don't have legal citizenship, then they are NOT Americans----and, IMO, this anchor-baby crap, has got to stop, as well; if a kid's parents aren't LEGAL citizens, then the kid shouldn't be, EITHER, and IMO the law needs to be changed, to reflect that!!


I agree, the US should adopt a policy of jus sanguinis instead of jus soli as that is what most of the planet does.


The US should definitely follow what most of the planet does because most of the planet is better and smarter about everything.

/sarcasm.

Jus Sanguinis is why European nations can't deal with immigration rationally and tend to end up locked in racist nitwittery. It is also profoundly anti-American.

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I'd rather have NEITHER----unless the person who has "upped sticks", is, say, working overseas at an AMERICAN company, or in a capacity that is in aid to AMERICANS; NOT an ex-patriot!!

What a strange and oppressive limitation on the liberty of your fellow countrymen!

Far more rationally, all the United States requires of it's sons and daughters who choose to live and work abroad is that they pay taxes to support their country. This is a hardship because they usually have to pay local taxes too, but they do demonstrate a continued love of country with cold cash, something most Americans can believe in.

I don't understand what objection you would have to Americans choosing to live abroad for a time and work for foreign companies. What could possibly be wrong with that?


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27 Jan 2017, 6:54 pm

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An idea I think could work would be a deadline that those who wish to appeal their immigration status to turn themselves in to immigration authorities after which point all will be deported no exceptions, kill two birds with one one stone.

I don't understand what you said, here----could you explain it, please?







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27 Jan 2017, 6:57 pm

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nurseangela wrote:
Looking back at how Obama treated the Press and Talk Radio......

Why It'll Be Hard for Trump to Surpass Obama's Record of Chilling Press Freedom. http://tiny.iavian.net/ey26


Obama didn't have high regard for Fox for slanted reporting, whereas Trump is jumping on CNN because they don't deal in alternate facts.


You've just described the same behaviour in two individuals through the filter of bias.


My intent was to show that Obama fought back against misleading reporting by Fox regarding his Presidency, while Trump is outraged by CNN reporting accurately about his contradictory and loony statements. So, no, it's not the same thing.


CNN was brought out in the open of falsely reporting by Wikileaks. Obama and the Left were also trying to shut down talk radio.


How did they report falsely on Wikileaks? And pushing back against talk radio's misinformation and out-and-out lies doesn't necessarily mean they were trying to shut down anything, just that they wanted the truth to win out. Do you seriously believe Obama is foreign born, or that he wants the terrorists to win, or that he's actually the Antichrist, which was commonly heard of talk radio?


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27 Jan 2017, 7:07 pm

Jacoby wrote:
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It's a bit weird to stop a load of adult Americans voting because they don't have legal citizenship...

If they don't have legal citizenship, then they are NOT Americans----and, IMO, this anchor-baby crap, has got to stop, as well; if a kid's parents aren't LEGAL citizens, then the kid shouldn't be, EITHER, and IMO the law needs to be changed, to reflect that!!

I agree, the US should adopt a policy of jus sanguinis instead of jus soli as that is what most of the planet does.

EXACTLY!! There's very few countries that are holding-up signs, that say: "Y'all come in, now, ya hear!!", like we seem to be doin'----and, I'm SICK of it!!




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27 Jan 2017, 7:12 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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Kraichgauer wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Looking back at how Obama treated the Press and Talk Radio......

Why It'll Be Hard for Trump to Surpass Obama's Record of Chilling Press Freedom. http://tiny.iavian.net/ey26


Obama didn't have high regard for Fox for slanted reporting, whereas Trump is jumping on CNN because they don't deal in alternate facts.


You've just described the same behaviour in two individuals through the filter of bias.


My intent was to show that Obama fought back against misleading reporting by Fox regarding his Presidency, while Trump is outraged by CNN reporting accurately about his contradictory and loony statements. So, no, it's not the same thing.


CNN was brought out in the open of falsely reporting by Wikileaks. Obama and the Left were also trying to shut down talk radio.


How did they report falsely on Wikileaks? And pushing back against talk radio's misinformation and out-and-out lies doesn't necessarily mean they were trying to shut down anything, just that they wanted the truth to win out. Do you seriously believe Obama is foreign born, or that he wants the terrorists to win, or that he's actually the Antichrist, which was commonly heard of talk radio?


How do you just "forget" important information? You need to teach me that trick. We're going to have to agree to disagree on CNN and the radio shut down.

Yes, yes, it may be the Pope - still open minded on that question. The antichrist has to be someone - who do You think it is? (I already know who you are going to say and prophesy never said they would have that big of hair - so there!) :mrgreen:


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27 Jan 2017, 7:16 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Looking back at how Obama treated the Press and Talk Radio......

Why It'll Be Hard for Trump to Surpass Obama's Record of Chilling Press Freedom. http://tiny.iavian.net/ey26


Obama didn't have high regard for Fox for slanted reporting, whereas Trump is jumping on CNN because they don't deal in alternate facts.


You've just described the same behaviour in two individuals through the filter of bias.


My intent was to show that Obama fought back against misleading reporting by Fox regarding his Presidency, while Trump is outraged by CNN reporting accurately about his contradictory and loony statements. So, no, it's not the same thing.


The only differences you're implying are in the demeanour of each man, and in your opinion of the veracity of the reporting. What you deem "loony" seems to resonate with others.

That your news stations are partisan isn't news. That your electorate's partisan views are often very much in line with whichever partisan stations they prefer isn't news either.

What makes you think that attacking Trump's character is going to be successful now when it wasn't successful during the campaign? If you have legitimate grievances with demonstrable effects in the real world (excluding the misbehaviour and tears of emotional protesters), raise them.



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27 Jan 2017, 7:18 pm

nurseangela wrote:
Just saw on Fox that President Trump decided to take a back seat to the torture topic and let the man he put in that position (who has more experience on the subject) to make the decision. The Left should be happy about that. This proves that Trump is willing to step aside and let someone else who has more experience make the decision and he will back them up. That doesn't sound like a narcissist to me.

Yeah----and, just so the Left doesn't go into hysteria cuz you said you saw it on Fox, I just saw it on "NBC Nightly News". President Trump said, something like: "...and, he over-rules me, because I've given him that power".




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27 Jan 2017, 7:26 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
Looking back at how Obama treated the Press and Talk Radio......

Why It'll Be Hard for Trump to Surpass Obama's Record of Chilling Press Freedom. http://tiny.iavian.net/ey26


Obama didn't have high regard for Fox for slanted reporting, whereas Trump is jumping on CNN because they don't deal in alternate facts.


You've just described the same behaviour in two individuals through the filter of bias.


My intent was to show that Obama fought back against misleading reporting by Fox regarding his Presidency, while Trump is outraged by CNN reporting accurately about his contradictory and loony statements. So, no, it's not the same thing.


CNN was brought out in the open of falsely reporting by Wikileaks. Obama and the Left were also trying to shut down talk radio.


How did they report falsely on Wikileaks? And pushing back against talk radio's misinformation and out-and-out lies doesn't necessarily mean they were trying to shut down anything, just that they wanted the truth to win out. Do you seriously believe Obama is foreign born, or that he wants the terrorists to win, or that he's actually the Antichrist, which was commonly heard of talk radio?


I have another question - how can you be religious and still support abortion? I can't wrap my head around that.


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27 Jan 2017, 7:45 pm

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I don't understand what objection you would have to Americans choosing to live abroad for a time and work for foreign companies. What could possibly be wrong with that?

I'm not talking about those people, I'm talking about ex-patriots----say, those who would've moved to Canada, saying: "I hate America", after the election of President Trump.

Although, I must say, if there are Americans working overseas for foreign companies, who are NOT doing it in aid to Americans / the U.S., then it seems like they're being ex-patriots (my judgment would come on a case-by-case basis).




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27 Jan 2017, 7:51 pm

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I have another question - how can you be religious and still support abortion? I can't wrap my head around that.

I believe the life of a person is infinitely more important than the life of a cell.



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27 Jan 2017, 7:58 pm

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I have another question - how can you be religious and still support abortion? I can't wrap my head around that.

I believe the life of a person is infinitely more important than the life of a cell.


A fetus is comprised of millions of cells.



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I have another question - how can you be religious and still support abortion? I can't wrap my head around that.

I believe the life of a person is infinitely more important than the life of a cell.


OK, but I'm asking Kraichgauer.


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27 Jan 2017, 8:01 pm

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I have another question - how can you be religious and still support abortion? I can't wrap my head around that.

I believe the life of a person is infinitely more important than the life of a cell.


A fetus is comprised of millions of cells.


I really don't want to have the "cell" discussion. A lot of abortions are being done when these "cells" are actually a baby. So I don't believe the "its only a cell" argument.


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