16 Nov 2021, 1:29 pm
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16 Nov 2021, 1:47 pm
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
Tariffs on stuff from China hurts the merchant in the West, not China. We are now dependant on stuff they make
Sounds like the merchant's problem. They chose to build their business model poorly, they can deal with the results of that.
And you were just talking about punishment for China for making stuff we want. How do you propose to do it because like I said tariffs are no issue to them
It's not like only one solution can be attempted. You regulate importing plastics and you regulate use of them.
How would you address the issue of plastic pollution? Is there a free market solution or would you just ignore the problem?
Biological breakdown of plastic by bacteria. There is research on this.
Regulation of every piece of plastic and outright banning isn't gonna fly. That's outrageous and impossible.
Like I said, it's not as though more than one solution can't be implemented. I don't believe banning all plastics is likely to be viable, but that doesn't mean regulations can't be used to strongly disincentivize some uses in the meantime.
Yet again you've relied upon twisting what I said in order to rebut it, likely because you know you can't actually do so without misrepresenting what I had said.
People will never stop using throw away plastic. It's too much a part of how people operate now.
BTW who is actually for such a ban.who isn't a hypocrite because everyone in a modern country uses plastic all day every day.
I'm not sure anyone is for a total ban on plastics so I'm still not sure why you even brought up the idea.
16 Nov 2021, 1:53 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
Tariffs on stuff from China hurts the merchant in the West, not China. We are now dependant on stuff they make
Sounds like the merchant's problem. They chose to build their business model poorly, they can deal with the results of that.
And you were just talking about punishment for China for making stuff we want. How do you propose to do it because like I said tariffs are no issue to them
It's not like only one solution can be attempted. You regulate importing plastics and you regulate use of them.
How would you address the issue of plastic pollution? Is there a free market solution or would you just ignore the problem?
Biological breakdown of plastic by bacteria. There is research on this.
Regulation of every piece of plastic and outright banning isn't gonna fly. That's outrageous and impossible.
Like I said, it's not as though more than one solution can't be implemented. I don't believe banning all plastics is likely to be viable, but that doesn't mean regulations can't be used to strongly disincentivize some uses in the meantime.
Yet again you've relied upon twisting what I said in order to rebut it, likely because you know you can't actually do so without misrepresenting what I had said.
People will never stop using throw away plastic. It's too much a part of how people operate now.
BTW who is actually for such a ban.who isn't a hypocrite because everyone in a modern country uses plastic all day every day.
I'm not sure anyone is for a total ban on plastics so I'm still not sure why you even brought up the idea.
I mean a total ban on single use plastics ie shopping bags, water bottles, etc. That's what you want banned in the OP and that's outrageous. Fortunately there is zero chance of this actually happening.
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16 Nov 2021, 2:20 pm
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
Tariffs on stuff from China hurts the merchant in the West, not China. We are now dependant on stuff they make
Sounds like the merchant's problem. They chose to build their business model poorly, they can deal with the results of that.
And you were just talking about punishment for China for making stuff we want. How do you propose to do it because like I said tariffs are no issue to them
It's not like only one solution can be attempted. You regulate importing plastics and you regulate use of them.
How would you address the issue of plastic pollution? Is there a free market solution or would you just ignore the problem?
Biological breakdown of plastic by bacteria. There is research on this.
Regulation of every piece of plastic and outright banning isn't gonna fly. That's outrageous and impossible.
Like I said, it's not as though more than one solution can't be implemented. I don't believe banning all plastics is likely to be viable, but that doesn't mean regulations can't be used to strongly disincentivize some uses in the meantime.
Yet again you've relied upon twisting what I said in order to rebut it, likely because you know you can't actually do so without misrepresenting what I had said.
People will never stop using throw away plastic. It's too much a part of how people operate now.
BTW who is actually for such a ban.who isn't a hypocrite because everyone in a modern country uses plastic all day every day.
I'm not sure anyone is for a total ban on plastics so I'm still not sure why you even brought up the idea.
I mean a total ban on single use plastics ie shopping bags, water bottles, etc. That's what you want banned in the OP and that's outrageous. Fortunately there is zero chance of this actually happening.
Usually demands get set higher early on with the expectation that they will be negotiated down later. It's not really that outrageous to try to reduce usage of single-use plastics by as much as humanly possible even if a small number of consumers complain about trivial impacts in might have on them.
16 Nov 2021, 2:26 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Axeman wrote:
Tariffs on stuff from China hurts the merchant in the West, not China. We are now dependant on stuff they make
Sounds like the merchant's problem. They chose to build their business model poorly, they can deal with the results of that.
And you were just talking about punishment for China for making stuff we want. How do you propose to do it because like I said tariffs are no issue to them
It's not like only one solution can be attempted. You regulate importing plastics and you regulate use of them.
How would you address the issue of plastic pollution? Is there a free market solution or would you just ignore the problem?
Biological breakdown of plastic by bacteria. There is research on this.
Regulation of every piece of plastic and outright banning isn't gonna fly. That's outrageous and impossible.
Like I said, it's not as though more than one solution can't be implemented. I don't believe banning all plastics is likely to be viable, but that doesn't mean regulations can't be used to strongly disincentivize some uses in the meantime.
Yet again you've relied upon twisting what I said in order to rebut it, likely because you know you can't actually do so without misrepresenting what I had said.
People will never stop using throw away plastic. It's too much a part of how people operate now.
BTW who is actually for such a ban.who isn't a hypocrite because everyone in a modern country uses plastic all day every day.
I'm not sure anyone is for a total ban on plastics so I'm still not sure why you even brought up the idea.
I mean a total ban on single use plastics ie shopping bags, water bottles, etc. That's what you want banned in the OP and that's outrageous. Fortunately there is zero chance of this actually happening.
Usually demands get set higher early on with the expectation that they will be negotiated down later. It's not really that outrageous to try to reduce usage of single-use plastics by as much as humanly possible even if a small number of consumers complain about trivial impacts in might have on them.
The number of consumers who use them is everybody and his brother. The impact would be anything but trivial.
Of course people like you have zero ability to make these delusions reality. You can make all the demands you want, and no one will care. The non event strike proves this but here you still are banging your head against the wall.
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16 Nov 2021, 3:21 pm
16 Nov 2021, 3:27 pm
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Well, I guess we should all give up now, one action didn't accomplish everything we want all at once much of anything at all.
There; corrected it for you!
You are welcome!
16 Nov 2021, 3:54 pm
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16 Nov 2021, 3:56 pm
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Well, I guess we should all give up now, one action didn't accomplish everything we want all at once much of anything at all.
There; corrected it for you! You are welcome!I feel like having a bunch more people go from being curious to actively seeking to engage further is an accomplishment even if it's one that occurred outside of your bubble. Certainly by it's own it's not world-changing but that doesn't mean it's nothing.
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