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12 Jun 2010, 4:16 am

Well that's a distinction between the author and the fans, really.

Besides Orwell, like I said, give it some time, there'll be a new religion on the horizon: The Church Of Middle Earth. :D


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12 Jun 2010, 4:41 am

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You're right it doesn't, that's why its faith. Nobody believes in God because they mixed some chemicals and studied the results, if so, they are crazy. I have no clue why I believe in God, or why some people believe in creationism, but they do. As long as they keep it out of the science class, it isn't a problem.


Life and action are concerned with more than what goes on in a science class. The whole concept of how to deal with the forces of nature that easily maim and kill millions of people depends on a pragmatic understanding of their power and how they may be confronted. It is a life and death matter.


So you're saying that religion is bad because people have died from the crazy people in it. I don't think anyone would disagree that it is one of the biggest problems with religious extremity (except for the crazies themselves.) But what about a place like The Soviet Union which killed and tortured millions of people for a government that banned the belief of God for the longest time. You don't have to believe in God in order to do despicable acts of violence. And even THEY failed to remove people from their religion after the USSR collapsed.

I'm sorry you think its stupid, and to an intellectual degree, you are right. There is no intelligence behind faith, but its a part of culture and global society. Yes there are idiots who do terrible things with it, but that can happen in any society. Removing religion would only be a temporary solution until people find something else to hate eachother for. (I'm not trying to be a jerk with this response, honestly.)



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12 Jun 2010, 5:15 am

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12 Jun 2010, 7:39 am

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So you're saying that religion is bad because people have died from the crazy people in it. I don't think anyone would disagree that it is one of the biggest problems with religious extremity (except for the crazies themselves.) But what about a place like The Soviet Union which killed and tortured millions of people for a government that banned the belief of God for the longest time. You don't have to believe in God in order to do despicable acts of violence. And even THEY failed to remove people from their religion after the USSR collapsed.

I'm sorry you think its stupid, and to an intellectual degree, you are right. There is no intelligence behind faith, but its a part of culture and global society. Yes there are idiots who do terrible things with it, but that can happen in any society. Removing religion would only be a temporary solution until people find something else to hate eachother for. (I'm not trying to be a jerk with this response, honestly.)


If Marx was Christ to the Communists then Lenin was Peter and Stalin was Paul.

Marxism is a religion. It might not be a god based religion, but it is a religion never the less.

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12 Jun 2010, 8:17 am

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So you're saying that religion is bad because people have died from the crazy people in it. I don't think anyone would disagree that it is one of the biggest problems with religious extremity (except for the crazies themselves.) But what about a place like The Soviet Union which killed and tortured millions of people for a government that banned the belief of God for the longest time. You don't have to believe in God in order to do despicable acts of violence. And even THEY failed to remove people from their religion after the USSR collapsed.

I'm sorry you think its stupid, and to an intellectual degree, you are right. There is no intelligence behind faith, but its a part of culture and global society. Yes there are idiots who do terrible things with it, but that can happen in any society. Removing religion would only be a temporary solution until people find something else to hate eachother for. (I'm not trying to be a jerk with this response, honestly.)


If Marx was Christ to the Communists then Lenin was Peter and Stalin was Paul.

Marxism is a religion. It might not be a god based religion, but it is a religion never the less.

Stalin was no Marxist. He was concerned with power and control and he fought religion, not because he gave a damn about belief but because religion was a competing power structure.

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12 Jun 2010, 12:33 pm

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It is inconsistent.. In Genesis there are two distinct creation myths which mutually contradict each other.

The problem I would have to argue with using inconsistency is a measure is that we don't have a set of logical propositions, but rather we have a list of interpretations. Unless you can argue that it is impossible to interpret this in a logically consistent manner, we don't have
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...humbug.

But AG! This is not STRIDENTLY atheistic! This is just STRIDENTLY insisting on good reasoning! Are you admitting that when the chips are down, when there is a conflict between STRIDENT atheism and good reasoning, you go for good reasoning? Is that what your constituency wants? Is this your YEEHAH! moment, your Dean Scream?



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12 Jun 2010, 2:27 pm

ruveyn wrote:
countzarroff wrote:

So you're saying that religion is bad because people have died from the crazy people in it. I don't think anyone would disagree that it is one of the biggest problems with religious extremity (except for the crazies themselves.) But what about a place like The Soviet Union which killed and tortured millions of people for a government that banned the belief of God for the longest time. You don't have to believe in God in order to do despicable acts of violence. And even THEY failed to remove people from their religion after the USSR collapsed.


Marxism is a religion. It might not be a god based religion, but it is a religion never the less.

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The Soviet tyrants did not murder because they were atheists; they murdered because they were murderers.

Religions make supernatural claims about how the world works. The supernatural is anathema to Marxism. It can't be described as a religion more than soccer can.



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12 Jun 2010, 2:55 pm

Gromit wrote:
But AG! This is not STRIDENTLY atheistic! This is just STRIDENTLY insisting on good reasoning! Are you admitting that when the chips are down, when there is a conflict between STRIDENT atheism and good reasoning, you go for good reasoning? Is that what your constituency wants? Is this your YEEHAH! moment, your Dean Scream?

Well, duh, of course I am going for good reasoning. I am a *great* politician. I deceive the constituency by promising what they want, and then deliver what they really need. Frankly, I would have to shudder at a society where democracy *really* served the average person, because as far as I see, the average person is a fascist and an idiot with ideas that would destroy this country quickly if ever implemented.