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31 Oct 2013, 12:15 pm

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Well, 2000 years of human moral and political philosophy disagrees with you.

2000 years of human moral and political philosophy disagrees with itself, too.

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31 Oct 2013, 12:15 pm

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You know that is the real problem in the US..the breakdown of ethics...

It has to come from somewhere..it is learned..not a given...

But what is the incentive..

Are people intelligent enough to understand the importance of ethics..

I suppose we will find out soon enough...

Meanwhile religions that do support real ethics..are filling an extremely vital need in the country...

The problem is many don't support real ethics..as the ones that make a real healthy society..

Like Northern European countries..who take care of each other..understanding that they all share the same genetics...

Unfortunately Heterogenous cultures do not seem to do as well on this issue as homogenous cultures..like Scandinavian countries...

Yes. And it has EVERYTHING to do with perceived differences.

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And of course that is changing too...

With immigration...

Ethics..we need ethics..to survive..civilization...

Why can't that be a political agenda..ethics..ethics..ethics..

If only it can be separated from religion and effectively seen as science..human science that is....or the science of being human....

In the past it was. You can think our debased educational system for losing that science.

American society would be much better of if we still taught classical moral philosophy and the history of the Roman Republic (not empire).

Yes..I live in Northwest Florida.. in a 'religious right' community....

I did not learn anything of substance about life..until I got into college and had my first philosophy class..

It changed my life in so many ways for the better..It was worth a hundred thousand dollars just to take one class..and eventually It did make that much money for me..as I developed a philosophy about life that was not materialistic in nature..the result was I did not spend money...so I still have plenty of it to live on....

These are not just head games they are life games...

But people call them hobbies..haha...

They in effect can be the difference in life or death..in the long run...

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31 Oct 2013, 12:16 pm

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Well, 2000 years of human moral and political philosophy disagrees with you.

2000 years of human moral and political philosophy disagrees with itself, too.

Of course it does..cause it is still learning...

The mind of philosophy is never closed...

Lesson learned...

Just do It..keep learning..is the way to continued life success..

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Even Nike's got this wisdom..in full check..or J or whatever....

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31 Oct 2013, 12:22 pm

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Everyday a customer on any type of government assistance pays to use your business..You are also receiving these so called entitlements..

Do the math..It's simple..It's part of your income already...

Without that social welfare there is less money in your bank period..or your pocket...

This argument is ridiculous. Without that social welfare, that money wouldn't have been taken from my bank (or my pocket) in the first place.

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So shoot yourself in your foot..But wait..the government will not let that happen they are protecting your interests..and/or investments..

You sound like you're defending organized crime. The only entity I need protection from is the government.

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So it seems.. you are already extremely fortunate to already be in Obama's care...and the government the United States government that is..In general...effect...

Spoken like a true subject. There is little more repulsive than an eager and willing slave.

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31 Oct 2013, 12:23 pm

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Well, 2000 years of human moral and political philosophy disagrees with you.

2000 years of human moral and political philosophy disagrees with itself, too.

Yes, but not as much as you'd think. Locke and Burke would not recognize what passes for Libertarians these days.

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31 Oct 2013, 12:28 pm

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And that's the problem with American business today. We Americans say proudly we are culturally of the Abrahamic cultural tradition, but then business is allowed an exception for the sake of making money. It's love of material wealth at the expense of responsibility to their fellow Americans that is the cause of the rot in our country from the top down.

I don't believe in God or objective morality.

In my opinion, the rot in our country is the entitlement attitude that our culture has developed (at the top and at the bottom).

Whether you believe in God and objective morality or not, the fact of the matter is, such beliefs have been a cornerstone of American and western civilization. It can't be denied that care for those in need has always been seen as a virtue, while turning those in need away has always been seen as evil. Unfortunately, elements on the right today have forgotten the foundation of our society.

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31 Oct 2013, 12:31 pm

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This argument is ridiculous. Without that social welfare, that money wouldn't have been taken from my bank (or my pocket) in the first place.

It's an investment.

Henry Ford created the American consumer class by doubling his worker's wages. You can't do business with people who have no money.

By investing in his market he became rich and America became the wealthiest most productive industrial power of the 20th century.

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31 Oct 2013, 12:34 pm

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aghogday wrote:

This argument is ridiculous. Without that social welfare, that money wouldn't have been taken from my bank (or my pocket) in the first place.

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So shoot yourself in your foot..But wait..the government will not let that happen they are protecting your interests..and/or investments..

You sound like you're defending organized crime. The only entity I need protection from is the government.

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So it seems.. you are already extremely fortunate to already be in Obama's care...and the government the United States government that is..In general...effect...

Spoken like a true subject. There is little more repulsive than an eager and willing slave.

Dude now you are sounding like Hannity off of Fox..News..please don't tell me you watch that clown show..because that's what it is..Hannity doesn't even believe in many of the things he's saying..he's just an actor..same as Glenn Beck and his 'comrades'...

Do you understand math..At this point if that money goes away..it's not going to make any difference about what taxes you are paying or not paying..cause that will not change..if it could go away...

But it will not go away..because if it did..there would be complete social anarchy in this country...

We as a country would in effect be very similar to Somalia...

Seriously maybe you should pack your bags..if you really want to live in a place with no effective government...

People that have this type of ancient patriarchal ideology have already lost the country...

The new way of life is now leaning toward egalitarianism more and more every day...

The more republicans fight this..the greater chance there is that they will some day lose the house forever..as they have already in effect lost the executive branch forever...The young people of this country overall will never vote a republican administration in again..for if no other reason..that they support rejection of full minority groups of people in this country like homosexuals...

We are living in a global age now that is entering into a time of greater and greater cooperation..and sharing of goods overall...

The days of patriarchy are dying..that is all..and there is nothing to stop that now..unless someone moves to a middle eastern country or a country like Somalia...

But as always those who adapt will survive..your choice for the future..only...

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31 Oct 2013, 12:36 pm

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Yes, but not as much as you'd think. Locke and Burke would not recognize what passes for Libertarians these days.

Most libertarians these days are just miffed republicans.

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31 Oct 2013, 12:41 pm

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I agree with (and subscribe to) the idea that helping those in need is a virtue. However, I think we put too much effort into providing free stuff to those in need rather than trying to help them overcome the obstacles to production.

I don't agree that the problem you describe is isolated to the "right".

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31 Oct 2013, 12:42 pm

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GoonSquad wrote:

Yes, but not as much as you'd think. Locke and Burke would not recognize what passes for Libertarians these days.

Most libertarians these days are just miffed republicans.

No, most libertarians these days are pseudo-intellectual, amoral, Randian fools.

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31 Oct 2013, 12:47 pm

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Well..I will agree with you there friend..there is always benefit to help people to overcome the obstacles to production..and there are limits to free stuff as well..per reason..but this is definitely not a black and white issue..

It is extremely complex..and requires kid gloves..by the politicians who really do have influence to make sure this country does not go down in metaphorical flames..because it is not a given for the continuance of this country..although people do take it for granted...almost completely these days..

There is little real patriotism left...and that is the part that is truly sad...

No one for the most part...really wants to sacrifice..and yes that does include people at the lowest tax brackets too...

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31 Oct 2013, 12:52 pm

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ObamaCare Enrolling Vastly More in Medicaid Than in Private Insurance

Those who believe that the purpose of ObamaCare is ultimately to bring about single-payer, nationalized healthcare continue to be vindicated. The latest evidence: Most of the people getting coverage under the healthcare law are doing so via Medicaid, not private insurance — a trend that could spell disaster for patients, taxpayers, and insurers.

“Though the federal government has not yet released enrollment numbers at all, some state exchanges have revealed their Obamacare data,” reported the Daily Caller. “In early [sic] every case, Medicaid enrollment has exceeded new private insurance coverage.”

According to CBS News, “In Washington, of the more than 35,000 people newly enrolled, 87 percent signed up for Medicaid. In Kentucky, out of 26,000 new enrollments, 82 percent are in Medicaid. And in New York, of 37,000 enrollments, Medicaid accounts for 64 percent.” Oregon, meanwhile, had signed up 56,000 people for Medicaid by October 17 but not a single one for private insurance, noted the Washington Post.

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Healthcare.gov sends user information to third parties, violating its own privacy policy

Here's more evidence of cutting corners during the development of the Healthcare.gov insurance marketplace: the website appears to be violating its own privacy policy by sending private user information to third parties.

Security researcher Ben Simo noticed that Healthcare.gov was sending his user name and password reset code to third party partners including the analytics services Pingdom, DoubleClick, and Google Analytics.

The risk to users is low since the information is encrypted as it is sent, and those partners are all reputable companies. However, the oversight may constitute a violation of the site's own privacy policy, which says, "No personally identifiable information is collected by these tools."

Facebook and Myspace were fined by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) for similar infractions last year.

What's more, there is no need to send user names or password reset codes to third parties. "We don't want and don't use this type of data," a representative for Google, which owns DoubleClick and Google Analytics, says in an email to The Verge. "Thanks for raising this — we're looking into it."

User names and password reset codes "are not of interest to Pingdom," Sam Nurmi, CEO of Pingdom, says in an email. The company was discarding user names and password reset codes, but rewrote its software in order to reject the information outright, he says.

"This is the sort of thing that the FTC has fined other companies over," Simo says. "The fact that they're doing this gives me more reason to be concerned about their overall approach to security. Do they really understand how to build a secure site?

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Administration estimated in 2010 that 93 million people would lose their health insurance because of Obamacare.(LINK)

I'm sure that will more Obamacare fails by the end of the day.

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31 Oct 2013, 1:49 pm

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Regardless of what you hear on Fox or from Beck or Limbaugh, that "free stuff" is actually pretty meager. Try living on food stamps for a month.
As for isolating the right - if anything, the right has done more with it's embrace of the lunatic fringe to push itself away from mainstream society than I or anybody on the left could ever do.

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31 Oct 2013, 2:43 pm

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No, most libertarians these days are pseudo-intellectual, amoral, Randian fools.

:lol:

100% of people who say things like this are complete as*holes, look it up it's a fact.
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31 Oct 2013, 2:55 pm

Dox47 wrote:

GoonSquad wrote:

No, most libertarians these days are pseudo-intellectual, amoral, Randian fools.

:lol:

100% of people who say things like this are complete as*holes, look it up it's a fact.
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Well, if it's a choice between being a Randian or a complete as*hole... :wink:

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