God doesn't seem to exist!

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What?! No. Another person who likes to make completely baseless assumptions. I changed my mind about this because it made sense to do so. No other reason.

Well, considering I worked with the general public for over two decades and personally dealt with close to one hundred thousand folks in real life; that's not a problem for me, at all, as far as being heard and understood by the crowd at hand..

I am close to expert in pleasing the general audience; and my work experience speaks volumes on that both in outstanding evaluations with the federal government; and those who I served directly in reciprocal social communication.

This, however; is a philosophy, religion, and politics forum; of which I for one am more interested in the fringe aspects of both religion and philosophy, with only a passing interest in political issues; as that was at one point an all encompassing interest in my life; that I have personally mastered to the point now that it bores me to death.

There are whole dimensions of human experience that some folks never experience in life and can totally not relate to; so it is totally to be expected in a philosophy forum that not EVERYONE is gonna get the philosophy one describes or the way that philosophy is described in human abstract constructs beyond everyday 'noodle' AKA small talk language; or the language of historical philosophy and or religion; as well as science.

I have experienced dimensions in life in the last several years; that I have no idea existed before in my life; and these experiences are extremely hard to put into human abstract verbal language; requiring poetic expression to even come close to fully describing these new dimensional experiences in life, for me.

So no, here; one cannot expect to always appeal to a wider audience in understanding, if that audience, overall, has no context or perspective of the experience being described; however, this is a global audience of 'strange thinking' minds; and I most definitely have both come across a few folks who can understand more deeply where I am coming from; and a few folks who have provided me insights, I have not thought of before or experienced.

But anyway; that is what I am looking for; the novel; not the already understood or understandable, necessarily.

However, again; I learn from everyone I communicate with from IQ's below 70 to creative geniuses where there is NO intelligence quotient to come close to measuring that human creative genius; beyond any scale of measure.

The challenging part are the folks who do not want to delve deeper into the mysteries of life; who continue to
suggest that life is just all 'black and white'; like a science project; no it is not; and even Quantum Physics proves this out to be 'more
than truth'..

Like I said, regardless of your personal perception and understanding; every word I speak here in writing is either framed in rhyme or reason; and to be clear sometimes the reason is art; a much greater truth of life; than some folks can comprehend; and others fully comprehend; as has been my experience in the last couple of years; both here; and in many other online avenues; as well as flesh and blood life..

What you are demanding here is a perfect universe, where nothing bad ever happens, evil does not exist, and God never lets anyone suffer so much as a broken toenail, and the demand of every atheist for 'proof' is the response from God, "Here I am, right in front of you, sitting on this cloud".

In other words, a universe that was utterly meaningless because the sentient entities within it would never have the potential to grow, make mistakes, learn from those mistakes, develop their character, learn anything new (because, like God, they would be omniscient as well), have the free will that would make life worth living in the first place, and basically just be playthings for God to amuse Him/Herself with. Such a universe would be utterly boring and pointless.

There would need to be something of note for me to be able to dismiss it(hint: there's not).william lane craig is a lazy hack who commonly uses the argument "x would not exist without god. x exists, therefore god exists" which is circular reasoning and obviously flawed.
This is not a reliable source.a mathematics publication reprint isn't a reliable source for theology or science.this is a book review, are you even trying to be serious?a finetuned universe is pretty hilarious nonsense, there's plenty of things on earth that can kill us, and we certainly can't go roaming around in vacuum without protection either, nor down to the depths of the oceans or the highest peaks.first accurate word you've said so far.

Fugu, you're joking, right? I find it hard to believe that anyone could be so dismissive. I'd be willing to bet that you haven't even looked at those links in any depth, just perused the titles and jumped to the conclusion, "This is junk".

As for W. L. Craig, that is just your opinion of him. He is not a 'hack', don't be absurd. Most atheists are afraid to debate him because they know they would get their arguments for the non-existence of God destroyed by him, and they would have to crawl away with their tails between their legs in embarrassment.

didn't god make humans in his own image? wouldn't that suggest that god is flawed?
what other proof would be acceptable that isn't contrived by swindlers(LDS) or just mistranslated over thousands of years(insert abrahamic religion here).

[quote="Fugu"]a finetuned universe is pretty hilarious nonsense, there's plenty of things on earth that can kill us, and we certainly can't go roaming around in vacuum without protection either, nor down to the depths of the oceans or the highest peaks.[quote]

I don't know why I am even responding to the aberrant nonsense you post here. From this statement of yours I can infer that you know precisely nothing about the fine-tuning arguments. Only someone who was as shockingly ignorant as you appear to be could seriously write something so utterly ridiculous.

hello again mr strawman. the Anthropic principle is a philosphical one, not a scientific one.

also, I demonstrated why WL craig is a hack, perhaps you need to reread my post?

I know the finetuning arguments are nonsense because I understand science, you've clearly no idea and yet you're pretending otherwise. ugh

No. Where did you get this stupid idea from?



No, because your first baseless premise is false.



I don't give a rat's ass about the "Abrahamic religions". They are false. Is this the best you can do? Use red herrings?

You don't know jack s**t, and the evidence for this claim of mine are your infantile, clueless, and sophomoric comments about fine tuning.

Can you read the thread title? is this a thread about god or not.

genesis 26-27
26Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." 27God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

you've yet to provide any reliable evidence, fling mud all you like, it won't change this.

So what? Do you seriously think that a person can only ever be either a Christian (and a fundamentalist, at that) or an atheist? I am neither. Do you understand what I mean by that? Do I have to spell it out, or use baby talk?

In your opinion the evidence isn't reliable. Many would disagree with your assessment of it. You could be wrong about the evidence you know, or had you never even considered that possibility?

you're not a christian, but you're presenting arguments that directly relate to young earth creationism(hi it's me, christianity) and it's associated talking heads because _?