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Tempus Fugit
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02 Dec 2020, 1:22 am

ironpony wrote:

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Well watergate wasn't found out till sometime after, so since this election is very recent, perhaps we need more time to tell, compared to watergate? Waterboarding and BJs in the white house took longer to find out too, didn't they?

Yep and especially the investigation regarding the last election took a long time. But this time apparently it needed to stop immediately, even before it started really. Nothing suspicious about that reaction I'm sure.

Oh okay, did the investigation for the last election take longer than it should have since they should have caught any fraud sooner, if that is the case?

Seeing as how it's not been even a month yet, I'd say not.

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02 Dec 2020, 5:43 am

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Nixon was stung for watergate while he was still in office. So were the others. It doesn't take THAT long. Even if it takes a year, we find out. Given that, it's not like they're going to get away with it. Nixon and Clinton both were officially impeached. It's still weaponized against clinton to this day. Also, elections involve SO many more people, and SO much more oversight, the odds of NOBODY noticing are absurdly slim. Nixon got caught in the era of cassette tapes. Clinton got caught before the digital age. Same with bush. These days there's so much redundancy and security, even when someone TRIES to commit voter fraud, even when they're on the inside, we still catch them.

If voter fraud had happened as claimed, we'd have found it by now. It's really that easy to spot.

I've explained in great detail why voter fraud is so difficult, based on the actual procedures used by the elections system. That doesn't stop people from simply ignoring it, and continuing to spout "interesting theories" or "suspicious anomalies". "THAT JUST PROVES HOW DEEP THE CONSPIRACY IS, MAN!! !"

Lets pretend we live in the world of pure imagination, where even the wildest and most bizarre things are possible, and biden did totally steal the election with millions of illegal dead immigrant votes. WHEN we find out a year or so later, you think NOBODY is going to do anything about it? I'd bet the house and senate would have a few things to say on the matter. Probably the SCOTUS, too. Certainly the body of trump voters would chime in. Cheating doesn't work if you get caught. They just take the prizes away and kick you out.

Nixon was never impeached. He resigned because his upcoming impeachment and conviction were a certainty.

Nixon would get away with it today because Watergate would not be viewed as that big of a deal.

1. People are much more cynical about politicians today

2. One of the reasons Nixon lost his conservative base was all of the "expletive deleted's" on the tapes. At the time people were generally genuinely shocked that a President would talk like a mob boss. Here in 2020, the previous sentence seems bizarre and unbelievable.

3. With our surveillance state, in our selfie era, would surveilling the Democrats raise an eyebrow?

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02 Dec 2020, 12:02 pm

Why didn't Nixon just talk in a room that wasn't being taped, or just not tape at all? That's what puzzles me.

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02 Dec 2020, 12:13 pm

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Why didn't Nixon just talk in a room that wasn't being taped, or just not tape at all? That's what puzzles me.

oval office recording devices have been used as early as FDR.

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02 Dec 2020, 12:15 pm

In the movie Frost/Nixon (not sure how accurate it was because it was a movie), but in the movie, they said that he had the option of removing the recording procedure if he chose to as President. So why didn't he just do that from the beginning then, if that's true?

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02 Dec 2020, 12:23 pm

(clicky)why nixon and other POTUSes recorded themselves on the job

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02 Dec 2020, 1:49 pm

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If the Democrats don't push back against China*, there may be serious consequences.
I have mentioned this many times.

But which of the following would you prefer the U.S.A. do?

1) "Push back against China*" while at the same time pushing away our allies?

OR

2) Maintain the strength of our alliances, thus be better able to "push back against China*" when push comes to shove?

IMO, what you Aussies need is a U.S. President who will take our alliances seriously.

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02 Dec 2020, 1:58 pm

Tempus Fugit wrote:

ironpony wrote:

Tempus Fugit wrote:

ironpony wrote:

Oh okay, did the investigation for the last election take longer than it should have since they should have caught any fraud sooner, if that is the case?

Seeing as how it's not been even a month yet, I'd say not.

Just to be clear, is that your amateur opinion, your uninformed opinion, or your uneducated opinion? Cos that's all it is, an opinion, from not-an-expert, from not-a-citizen.

Since the uninformed don't know / don't care to know / don't want to know / conveniently ignore this fact, fraud investigations start as soon as voting starts. Fraud is usually caught as it occurs, often well before the final votes are counted. But that doesn't stop people from blindly acting like votes are cast on post-it notes and counted by a trained orangutan. Fantasy land is fun, but some of us live in the real world.

For those that care to learn, here's a video on voter fraud, from an actual seasoned trial / litigation lawyer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kmXpMhZqOg

So again, wake me up when there's REAL voter fraud.

Mona Pereth wrote:

Pepe wrote:

If the Democrats don't push back against China*, there may be serious consequences.
I have mentioned this many times.

Given the uses of "IF" and "MIGHT BE" in the original premise, it tends to sound more like speculation than fact. As Pepe himself is usually bursting at the seams to point out, "saying things doesn't make them true

". Sometimes he seems to forget that fact when he gets really into what he's saying.

As for the China or w/e, that there sounds like an australia problem to begin with, IF it MAYBE ever happens. America can be picky about what it gets involved in. And when it does get involved, it usually doesn't leave. Besides, what if the people that get sent over are all Evil Lefties, and while they do run off the boogeyman China, they stay and infect australia with their evil leftist ways.

Fraud, China, Unicorns, Hobbits, wake me up when any of them ACTUALLY become a REAL threat, and not what-ifs and maybes.

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02 Dec 2020, 2:19 pm

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I don't care how you feel about this election, it doesn't concern you.

Are you saying that Australia is completely unaffected by what America does?

My own opinion: Australia is indeed affected by what the U.S.A. does.

And I really wish you would state your own concerns in that regard, in terms of how you think the American election will affect Australia (or whatever country you live in -- I vaguely recall that you too live in Australia, though I'm not sure about this).

Pepe has been upfront about this. I wish you too would share your beliefs about the relationship between the U.S.A. and your country also.

I disagree with Pepe's beliefs about this (e.g. his belief that Trump's obnoxiousness toward China is good for Australia, despite Trump's apparent willingness to abandon our allies also), but at least he has shared his own actual personal concerns. Could you please do likewise?

To avoid derailing this thread, I would prefer to discuss this elsewhere, perhaps in one of the following threads: Trump and China (and Australia) or 'China will come after Australia'.

EDIT: If you have already shared your beliefs as requested, please provide a link.

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02 Dec 2020, 4:08 pm

I don't really think other countries are as affected by the U.S. as Trump followers want to believe. We are not the perfect template for any society.

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02 Dec 2020, 5:19 pm

cberg wrote:

I don't really think other countries are as affected by the U.S. as Trump followers want to believe. We are not the perfect template for any society.

Certainly we are not a particularly good "template" at the moment.

Nevertheless, we are still a superpower; hence the rest of the world is very much affected by both our military policies (especially our alliances) and our economic policies.

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02 Dec 2020, 5:39 pm

cberg wrote:

I don't really think other countries are as affected by the U.S. as Trump followers want to believe. We are not the perfect template for any society.

From an Australian perspective both the US and China are important to our long term interests. China should be held accountable for allowing infected people to travel outside of it's borders. Their lack of transparency is symptomatic of their authoritarian nature of their regime.

Australia would also benefit from a US leader with integrity who does not make up lies. Trump is likely to pardon himself before leaving to not allow investigations into his corrupt handling of the office of POTUS.

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02 Dec 2020, 7:03 pm

Trump approaches the Rubicon.

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02 Dec 2020, 10:08 pm

There was nothing remotely normal about this election.

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02 Dec 2020, 10:25 pm

Tempus Fugit wrote:

There was nothing remotely normal about this election.

Well sure, except for the counting of votes part.

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02 Dec 2020, 10:42 pm

cberg wrote:

Tempus Fugit wrote:

There was nothing remotely normal about this election.

Well sure, except for the counting of votes part.

Like the 55 ballots discovered a month after the election (20% of which were fraudulently submitted, being from people not enrolled to vote)?

Quote:

The Chenango County Attorney's office wrote to Judge Scott J. DelConte that the county's board of election commissioners had discovered 55 early voting ballots, 44 of which are countable; the other 11 apparently belonged to people who were not registered to vote.

Or the "Tabulation errors" affecting results?

Quote:

The race has been extremely close, with both candidates claiming a lead within the past week. Initial, unofficial results showed Tenney winning the election, however Brindisi appeared to surpass her last week. On Monday, Tenney's campaign said she had taken a 25 vote lead after a "tabulation error" had been corrected.

Source for above quotes: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/new-york-county-finds-55-uncounted-early-votes/ar-BB1bxBfb

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