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What is fundamentally flawed is your inability to recognise that demagogic and lying, camouflaged agendas are a function of brute tribalism.....of the sort that invariably hooks us in its net as well......whether it be of the brute Hitler kind or even of the negligent kind we all suffer in capitalism, libertarian or regionalist.

It is not in our interests to stub our toe.

What a load of crap..it would actually be 'republicans', 'conservatives' at least the nationalistic ones who are all kissing cousins to the fascists. liberals and progressives would be more kissing cousins to socialists if anything...of course it is simplifying a little bit.

Hitler was never a left winger to begin with....he was a fascist. There is some confusion because he called his party the National Socialist Party, but if you pay any attention Hitler was strongly anti-socialist, he even explains his use of National Socialism should not be confused with 'socialism'.....I cannot remember exactly how it was explained, will have to go find a copy of Mien Kampf, his book where he talks about that.

Very common misconception. Hitler was never "voted in" to anything, besides his party's leadership. He was never elected to the Reichstag. After his party garnered about a third of the vote in the Reichstag elections, Germany's president, Paul von Hindenburg, offered him the position of Chancellor, which was a largely ceremonial position. After Hindenburg's sudden death, Hitler usurped power by unilaterally declaring that he was merging the offices of President and Chancellor, and proclaimed himself Fuhrer.

You clearly lack any understanding of the differences between Hitler's nationalistic and totalitarian "National Socialism" and modern Europe's social democracy. The fact of the matter is, socialists and trade unionists were among the first people who wound up in Hitler's concentration camps, or killed in quicker fashion.

Totally happy to stand corrected on whether Hitler was voted in or not. I do vaguely remember the Hindenburg chancellor offer now you mention it. (know I used the word `voted` but I meant got in with consensus of a dominant mass of people)

Also happy to be corrected on his specific explanation on what his `socialism` was supposed to have meant. thanks for the info always good to learn the gritty details of history. However there is an opposing view that Hitler and his original bunch saw themselves at heart as left leaning socialists .. kind of men from the people.
HOWEVER they were nationalistic NOT international Socialists who believed in Human brother/sisterhood like what we normally call socialists.
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/hitler-and-the-socialist-dream-1186455.html

This is in spite of what he eventually did and became... read on.

the fact that he killed loads of socialists means little, he also killed loads of fascists too who disagreed about the kind of fascism ... its called realpolitik ... they don`t give a monkeys who they kill the object is to stay in power, you can always spin and change an ideology later on if you are in power, which is what Hitler did (and they all do)

However I clearly DO understand the differences between Hitlers National Socialism and Modern Europes` Social Democracy (which I didn`t even mention or mean to mention by the way).

The essence of the point I was making is that (like Hitler) these type of politicians will deal with anyone right or left to get their way.... once they have got their way then and only then (ie. when they are securely ensconced in power) does their personal ideology come out and old ideologies get tweaked and adapted to suit their personal ideology.

This ideology of course must be the correct one because that`s what they personally believe with the blinkered delusional self-confidence of a narcissistic megalomaniac.

Mr `Humble` Trump is one such person who has that inviolable self-belief

Anyway this is an interesting side debate to the scary main one about our man Donald, who I am saying has just that sort of Machiavellian personality..
How do you think he got where ie is? (he`s proud of it and calls it business acumen)

The road behind him must be littered with trampled bodies of people who tried to get in his way.....
Whaaaat a great guy!

It should be remembered, it was Germany's conservative capitalists who had pressured Hindenburg to make Hitler Chancellor, after the Nazi party had made backroom deals with said capitalists with the promise of breaking the unions, which both despised.

Incidentally, German Jews were thoroughly Germanized long before the Nazis rose to power, seeing themselves as Germans of the Jewish faith, no different from their neighbors. In fact, German Jews were just as critical of Eastern European Jews for being clannish and rejecting assimilation, as were German Christians. That's why so many didn't run away when they should have, believing their government would never send them to death camps.

far right conservatives want limited government, free markets, promote individuality over the state

socialists, fascists want big government, state control of the markets, promote the state over the individual

The far left and the far right bend and meet in the middle.

Scientific socialism or Marxism is grossly misunderstood and Capital, Marxs epic study of human consciousness and its unfolding since it first emerged is rather about bringing out the best in everyone. For those of us on the spectrum, our consciousness is unique and is a neglected but productive resource which if it were appreciated could add to the sum of human knowledge immensely and has added to that sum for those of us who have managed to find a niche.

Left-right is a false dichotomy, to try to pigeonhole fascism into our made up political sphere is impossible. Fascism was a rejection of both liberal democracy and international communism, they merged populist positions of ethno-nationalism and anti-capitalism. They're all about collectivization, the glory of the state and its people and industry merged into one while individualism and democracy were seen as failures and untenable in rapidly changing world. Mussolini split off from the Italian Socialist Party after WWI as the socialist movement in Italy split between those who supported the war and those that were against it.

Yep, it is kind of the point I was making (just better worded), the bigger for me point is though that all the theoretical ideologies go out of the window once the megalomaniac is in power. At that point they start to make up their own ideologies often because they think they are now the `chosen` (exaccerbating their megalo tendencies!)

Hitler like Henry Ford was a Socialist and believed in the redistribution of wealth. Most forget Hitler and Mussolini were very popular figures in America and especially the progressives of the Democratic Party. Mussolini also had a cult following here in the United States. The media here in the United States in terms of the news was local based but the nickelodeons and the movie industry was family owned and majority of actors, directors, and actresses were Jewish who had changed their names to fit in. That industry pushed an active agenda against Hitler as did FDR who wanted a war and really didn't care how it started.

South America for the most part are all Socialist Run nations. The Nazi Party and Hitler had a huge tie with South America and had a cult following of Hitler and Socialism follows even to this day. When Nazi Germany fell many Nazi's moved to South America which protected these Nazi's and most of those Nazi's helped in some small ways the Socialist Nations they fled to.

Henry Ford, a socialist? Just because he understood paying his workers a good wage, so they could buy his cars, as an investment, hardly made him a socialist. In fact, he opposed organized labor, and sought to control the habits and entertainment of his workers. Politically, he was conservative. He was attracted to Hitler for his Antisemitism, and his conservative ideals. In fact, it was liberals like the Roosevelts who had opposed fascism from the start. While this next example is actually concerning Britain rather than America, it's a known fact that the English hard right elite were sympathetic toward Hitler, among them Lord Haw Haw, who had gone to Berlin to make Anti-Allied radio broadcasts for the Nazis. Winston Churchill, though regarded as Hitler's nemesis, had carried on a personal friendship with Benito Mussolini well into the war.

The National Socialist Workers Party was not Nationalist, it did not support the Nation as that was falling apart. It was not Socialist as that is a mask of the Communists, where dumb workers run things they do not understand, for the benefit of all. All Communists wind up starving.

It was not Workers as in Labor, for the Unions were strong, Communists, and parasites on production.

National Socialism was the potential of Industry and the German People, to make Germany Great Again.

It worked, Industrial production and exports went up. Cities were rebuilt with broad avenues, the whole country was connected by the Autobahn, the Mark rose in value, and Germany hosted the 1936 Olympics. 1933 to 1936 was a miracle. Food was cheap and broadly available. Hitler was Time's Man of the Year.

As a byproduct Germany lead the world in Steel Production, Autos, if not more than Ford, faster, better looking, and no speed limit on the Autobahn. Machine Tools, Aircraft, all metal were the new thing, and their Design and Engineering.

Germany was a rapidly rising industrial power, an economic powerhouse, with a strong and healthy population. They had recovered from WWI, and more. Other German speaking people joined them, then Britain and France declared war, again. Same reason as first time, they wanted world business.

I seem to recall Germany invading Poland as the last straw that brought France and England into the war.