Election Results and just the results

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And two wrongs make a right?

Once you identify this pattern in a poster you always have the option to cease feeding them.

This ganging up on someone is appalling. It's happened numerous times by the same people, which is a big reason why Wrong Planet became a ghost town. Great job fellas!

We are all adults here.

You only find fault with these sorts of comments when it's posters you disagree with expressing them. When the posters you agree with are snarky, insulting, etc (like what cyberdad was alluding to) you never have any criticism to offer. I agree with his assessment of Bric's general attitude in threads.

If one doesn't like another debator's style one is free to not engage with them. If one believes a poster is dishonest, needlessly rude and insulting, etc one doesn't have to engage with that poster.

The gigs up Tempus, find something else to troll about.

!	Feyokien wrote:
	Attention ALL of you

Targeting each others nationalities ends (direct and indirect). So does the snark, personal attacks/accusations of partisanship/agendas against others, tooting your own affiliation or lack of to show 'superiority', picking at people for posting their thoughts about their politicians, and arguments for the sake of arguing. If you really don't like someone or think they are your ideological enemy, then don't talk to them. It's that simple. WP is not the battleground of some great ideological war. Discussions that occur here have no affect on neurotypical society and their political structures so please stop acting like there is a moral imperative to defeat/humiliate your enemies here. You guys are killing this corner of the website with this behavior.

I'm about to lock this thread (which I would not enjoy) and the election fraud thread (which I don't think Mikah would enjoy).

If only the rampant toxicity was limited to one corner.

It appears a couple of areas in Wisconsin are going to have a recount, with the Trump campaign paying the $3,000,000 cost required for this (Milwaukee and Dane counties only).

Not long after the payment was forwarded, there was a meeting of the state's Elections commision seeking to change the rules for the recount which went for several hours:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/approval-wisconsin-recount-marked-partisan-fight-74290317

It seems that rules related to health concerns of those involved were changed, but other procedural changes were not made - I haven't found a source featuring the requested changes which were not made, but would be interested in seeing it if anyone has a link.

From what I understand, they will get their money refunded if the recount changes the winner, and the 2 counties selected having around 450,000 and 340,000 ballots respectively (Mr Biden has a provision total of approximately 69% and 75% of these counties respectively), and only 20,000 votes difference in the state, meaning the Trump campaign need to:
find 20,000 more votes that had been missed and should have been included on his total
OR
20,000 votes for Mr Biden need to be disqualified
OR
10,000 votes for Mr Biden need to have been found to be miscounted and should have gone to Mr Trump
Or some combination of the above, with the current difference being around 2.5% of the total votes across both these counties...High, but theoretically possible

The 2 counties also appear to be the most sizeable in the state, as well as (excluding one county of 1,500 votes cast) having the highest percentage vote for Mr Biden, which may have factored into their selection...They give the best possibility of having enough suitable votes that satisfy the above "requirements", and the lowest chance of having his own vote count lowered.

Once again, I will say: "My position is that there is a lack of integrity on both sides."
This has nothing to do with a balancing act.
It is simply the objective Truth, imo.

Saying only one side is evil, when that statement is observably incorrect, is asking to be called a hypocrite.

Agreed.

While I am not "targeting" anyone's nationality, or any specific nationality, I am saying that if a person is not a citizen of a particular country, then that person's perspective of conditions in that particular country and how that particular country is run is going to be inaccurate, at the very least.

To illustrate, you would not normally expect a man to be an expert on what it is "really" like to be a woman, to declare with any credibility that he knows what it is like to be a woman, and then to go on at length to tell a woman how she should deal with menstruation, contraception, conception, pregnancy, delivery, lactation, and breast-feeding.  This is called "Mansplaining".

So why expect a citizen of one country to know what it is "really" like to be a citizen of another country, and to explain to a real citizen of that other country what their laws, customs, traditions, and political processes are "really" all about?  I believe it is not possible, and that is why I personally discount the opinions of foreign citizens when they try to "mansplain" what being a life-long American citizen is "really" all about.

So of course, let them pontificate at length.  There are no restrictions on responsible speech in this country or on this website -- but let them start pretending to know everything there is to know about being a real American citizen, and they can expect me to dismiss or outright ignore what they have to say on that subject.

Just because they have the right to free speech does not mean they automatically have the privilege of an audience.

There's 50 states. I seriously doubt someone who's spent their life living in Bakersfield, California has any idea what it's like living in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Unlike many countries America is far to vast and diversified to have a handle on it's umpteen cultures, local politics etc, simply because someone lives in Billings, Montana.

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Thank you.  For once, we agree on something.

No we're not in agreement. What you know about life in America from a personal experience is confined to your microcosm. The rest you get an understanding of from the news, movies, TV shows and the internet.

Why is it not agreement?
It applies to everyone.

Again, no disagreement.

However, having moved around quite a bit and lived in several different states and regions, I just may have a broader perspective on Life In America than someone living their entire life in a rented two-room flat in the shadow of the Eiffel Tower.