Abortion opions, beliefs, and is it wrong?

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i dont think i can.... thats why I asked for help..... the code is the starrting block every molds that.... yes it,s part of a process but it's the key part of it

It's a rough guess. Considering the validity of your arguments I wouldn't bet on anything.

Here is what the Bible says about abortion...

Exodus 21:22:

22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, ...

Which essentially says, if you kill someone's unborn child, you pay a fine, if you kill the mother, you get put to death. Thus, differentiating between the already born and the unborn. The penalty for murder is death and not a fine, therefore, abortion may be morally wrong on many levels, it is not murder.

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so.. because you do not understand my arguement.. you're mocking cooking skill which you cannot see... thought I wouldent make those... perhaps for april fools.

Here is what the Bible says about slavery...

SLAVERY AND CHILD ABUSE - Genesis 9:22,24 (NIV)
Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father's nakedness and told his two brothers outside. When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him, he said, "Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers." He also said, "Blessed be the LORD, the God of Shem! May Canaan be the slave of Shem. May God extend the territory of Japheth; may Japheth live in the tents of Shem, and may Canaan be his slave."

SLAVERY AND CHILD ABUSE - Genesis 17:12
For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring.

SLAVERY - Leviticus 25:44-46 (NIV)
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

SLAVERY - Exodus 21:17 (KJV) (part of the Ten Commandments)
You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

SLAVERY - Exodus 21:2-6 (NLT)
"If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever."

SLAVERY - Exodus 21:7-11 (NLT)
"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment."

SLAVERY - Exodus 21:20-21
If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.

SLAVERY - Exodus 21:32
If the bull gores a male or female slave, the owner must pay thirty shekels of silver to the master of the slave, and the bull must be stoned.

SLAVERY - Exodus 22:3 (NIV)
"A thief must certainly make restitution, but if he has nothing, he must be sold to pay for his theft."

SLAVERY - Proverbs 29:19
A servant [slave] cannot be corrected by mere words; though he understands, he will not respond.

SLAVERY - Deuteronomy 5:6-21 (KJV) (part of the Ten Commandments)
Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.

SLAVERY - Deuteronomy 20:13-14 (NIV)
When the LORD your God delivers it [the city] into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder [slaves] for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies.

SLAVERY - Deuteronomy 23:15-16 (KJV)
Thou shalt not deliver unto his master the servant which is escaped from his master unto thee: He shall dwell with thee, even among you, in that place which he shall choose in one of thy gates, where it liketh him best: thou shalt not oppress him.

SLAVERY, JESUS - Matthew 18:25 (KJV) [Jesus recommends families to be sold as slaves.]
"But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made."

SLAVERY, JESUS - Matthew 24:45-51 (KJV) [Jesus recommends killing slaves.]
Who then is a faithful and wise servant [slave], whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

SLAVERY, JESUS - Luke 12:42-48 (NASB) [Jesus recommends killing and flogging slaves.]
And the Lord [Jesus] said, "Who then is the faithful and sensible steward, whom his master will put in charge of his servants [slaves], to give them their rations at the proper time? "Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes. "Truly I say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions. "But if that slave says in his heart, 'My master will be a long time in coming,' and begins to beat the slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk; the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers. "And that slave who knew his master's will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes, but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more."

SLAVERY, JESUS - Luke 16:13
"No servant [slave] can serve two masters."

SLAVERY, JESUS - Luke 17:7-8
"But which of you having a slave ploughing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, "Go and sit down to meat."? And will not rather say unto him, "Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, til I have eaten, and drunken, and afterwards thou shalt eat and drink."?

SLAVERY, JESUS - John 8:35 (NIV)
"Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever."

SLAVERY, PRIESTS - Mark 14:66 (KJV) ["Maids" means "slaves." Thus, priests owned slaves.]
And as Peter was beneath in the palace, there cometh one of the maids of the high priest

SLAVERY, PAUL - Colossians 3:22-24
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord. Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for men, since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving."

SLAVERY, PAUL - Ephesians 6:5-6 (NIV)
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart;"

SLAVERY, PAUL - Titus 2:9-10
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them, and not to steal from them, but to show that they can be fully trusted, so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive."

SLAVERY, PAUL - 1 Timothy 6:1-2 (NLT)
"Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them."

SLAVERY, PAUL - Galatians 3:28
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
[NOTE: Everybody is equal for Jesus, but on Earth the slaves are still slaves].

SLAVERY, PAUL - 1 Corinthians 7:21-22
"Were you a slave when you were called? Don't let it trouble you — although if you can gain your freedom, do so. For he who was a slave when he was called by the Lord is the Lord's freedman; similarly, he who was a free man when he was called is Christ's slave."

SLAVERY, PAUL - 1 Corinthians 12:13 (KJV)
"For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit."

SLAVERY, PAUL - Philemon 1
[In this book, Paul tells how he returned the slave Onesimus to his owner (presumably Phelemon). This action is forbidden in Deuteronomy 23:15-16]

SLAVERY, PETER - 1 Peter 2:18 (NLT)
"You who are slaves must accept the authority of your masters. Do whatever they tell you — not only if they are kind and reasonable, but even if they are harsh."

Whatever any ancient religious code says has no effect on my viewpoint, whether or not I agree with it. I'm not fond of the death penalty and money has no equivalent in moral problems like this.

I said nothing about your cooking skills. You're off topic.

perhaps.. anyway im bored of trying to explain myself and being insulted which if I remember rightly is agaist the rules

Meh, don't worry. It's Sand's basic discussion technique.

1]. Argue from ignorance
2]. When presented with any information that proves you are wrong, insult the individual who provided it
3]. goto 1].

its a primitive and common discussion technique.. \i just hoped i would not find it here