My Brother is calling me a racist for being Anti Zionist

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No. In the context of the term as coined by Marr, Semite refers to Jews only. You are a little feeble on semantics and semiotics, I see.

If you want to find out what a term means, talk to the person who coined it, if feasible.

ruveyn

No matter what Marr might have preferred a word takes meaning from popular usage (which is where dictionaries get their authority) and a Semite is a Semite whatever the hell Marr might have preferred.

If he wants to give strength to the Nazis by using their verbiage, let him. He's a fool.

my brother sometimes reminds me of Michael Savage

Anti-semitism is the officially accepted term. There's been a new term for Muslim haters coined of late - Islamophobia.

Also, Marr himself was a Jew hater. His ideas laid the foundation of Nazism. Of couse, he did renounce anti-semitism a few years before his death.

For all my life Israel has been in the news almost every day.

Why is this? As an an American, Canadian, Frenchman, German, Japanese, Chinese etc why should I care about Israel?

Why should I care more about some tiny country in the middle east than I do about Bolivia or East Timor or Tibet or Zimbabwe?

If you don't care about Israel why are you posting stupid posts in this thread? (Don't reply).

In the years before Israel was created (1948) and the years up to and including the third existential war that was thrust upon them (1973) which was won in self defense, if you were an anti-Zionist I would agree that you were an anti-Semite. Zionism meant returning to the historical land without upsetting the indigenous population.

Now? Zionism to most people, including most Jews in the west, just represents illegal occupation, brutal wars and pretty much the main reason for Islamic terrorism today.

I support the two state solution and stopping settlements although it won't bring any peace and won't stop Islamic terrorism. The twisted, violent ideologies that are spreading fast over the middle east and africa and into the West is now just than more about Israel, it's about war on the entire west and everything we hold dear (They never used to hate us just because of democracy and freedom).

Plain inaccurate.

The Zionist moment started in order to form as state for Jews plain a simple, it was not done with anyone else’s consideration in mind. It was not started by Jews already living in the area but outsiders that came for that purpose, who advocated terrorism in order to meet their aims. They were known for attacking Arab villages from the early 1900s. Zionism was a minority moment before WWII because most Jews at the time considered it against their religion to form a Jewish state of Israel. The Zionist groups also attacked their natural allies who were fighting against the Nazi in Europe.

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It is simply faulty logic to say it is anti-Semitic to oppose a state for a loose group of people who, even if they were an ethic group (which they are not according to genetics), have not had control over the land since apron 8th century BCE and it was never a single state the modern sense.

It is hypocritical to shake your fist at someone and accuse them of playing the victim card, when you are doing the same.

I think the jewish state should be relocated to South Texas while Palestine 100% returns to the Palestinians, then we Jews and Muslims can live in peace like before the advent of Zionism. here are the reasons why the Jewish State should be relocated to South Texas.
1. in South Texas many of the Tejanos (HIspanics in Texas) are descendents of Spanish and Portuguese Jews who were forcibly converted to Catholicism during the Late 14th and 15th century to escape persecution from the spanish Inquisition. these hispanic Desendents still practise Jewish Traditions like lighting candles on Friday night.
2. South Texas is a place where many Mexican Illegal immigrants illegally move from Mexico to USA, Many Mexicans are also descendents of Spanish Jews who were forcibly converted to catholicism durning the Inquisition period, so some Mexicans may want to immigrate to the Jewish State in south Texas, because some Mexicans who are of Spanish Jewish Descent do not feel Catholic.
3. Jews (with Muslims and christians) in spain have contributed to the Discovery of the Americas ,during the reconquest when Christians invaded Toledo from the Moors in the 11th century, Jews with muslims and Christians, helped translate the arab, Indian, Persian, Greek and Roman Knowledge to Latin paving the way for the Renaissance and the Discovery of america. originally Queen Isabella of Spain did not want to back Christopher Columbus for his voyage to find a route to asia, but a converso (a Jewish Convert to Chrisitanity) Luis De santangel advised Queen Isabel to finance Columbus's voyage, most of the people who financed Columbus's voyage were Jews and Converso's (Columbus himself might have been of Jewish origin) when Columbus sailed to his voyage in 1492 (the same time the Jews were evicted from spain) he was accompanied with alot of conversos, one converso was Luis de Torres who was a Physician who spoke arabic (Many Jews and Conversos would have spoken Arabic, because Jews have live with Muslims more thatn Christians did with Muslims) (Columbus thought Chinese was simular to Arabic columbus orig9ianlly wanted to reach China, but he unintended ly discovered the Americas). another converso was Rodrigo de Triana who was the first man in Columbus's crew to sight land, Plus many of the Gallly slaves in Columbus's ships were conversos who were convicted by the Spanish Inquisiton for Judaizing, and most of the money confiscated by Jews during the expulsin in 1492 went to Collumbus's voyage. so i think morally the USA should give south Texas to us whiile we return Palestine 100% to The Palestinians.

Laconvivencia. I think your plan is totally nuts, you haven't learnt the main lesson of the conflict (apart from the fact is it narrowly related to your history obsession as well).

Trying to form a state out of another land, for some loosely defined group (and a minority of a minority at that), some of which no longer identity as you wish them to, is plain bonkers.

I know some Jamaican Jews (Matalon) from my teens. They have the ancestry you talk of, however they think your plan and others like it is plain bonkers. The more readily identify as Jamaican, than Israeli.

I am anti Zionist, but I don't see Israel as Zionist on the whole, more complacent. I see the settlers as Zionist. There is a strong contingent of Israeli politics which is still Zionist. Really Israel has no future as Zionist, and it won't have peace if it continues Zionist policies.

I would support a two state solution. But practically speaking, Gaza doesn't have the ingredients to be a state for logistical/practical reasons let alone the Hamas problem.

Once the whole religion red herring is over it would make sense to redraw the map so both states have a chance to be stable. At the moment the west bank is Swiss cheese, Abbas couldn't run it if he wanted to. Stop beating a dead horse.

anyway this thread is already answereed. Ahmadinejad is anti-Jewish, and he makes little effor to hide it.

He is not Anti Jewish, he financed a Jewish Hospital in Iran, Shaked hands with the Neturei Karta and Jews during the 2009 election prefered Ahmedinejad than Mousavi.

That's because Neturei Karta are a bunch of fringe lunatics who agree with Ahmadinejad's wish to destroy Israel.

They're religiously against the formation of a Jewish state under the name of "Israel" because it is strictly forbidden in their religious texts as a blasphemy against g-d. Only g-d can reform Israel, not man.

There's also all the normal political talking points about the failure of the Israel social experiment and human rights and quality of life and blah blah blah...but who cares about people's lives when it's Israel and the holocaust and Israel's right to exist because Jews were killed somewhere so we have to make Israel a state.

Even if he was Anti semitic, he might be only Personally anti semitic, like Rafael Trujillo who helped Jews in the Holocaust, Ahmedinejad only wants Palestine to return to the Palestinians.