Must immigration stop?

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Quite the opposite- I see culture as largely independent of race. There are plenty of people of diverse ethnic backgrounds in the US who have assimilated into our culture.


Yeah, that was even more true of the backwater s**thole my parents grew up in than it was of England. Growing up, my parents only ever knew one black kid, and I don't think they knew any Jews at all. I doubt they even saw an Asian until they went to university. I much prefer a cosmopolitan environment like the place I live now.


Nearly everyone around here speaks English, including the Cuban immigrants. A few of the older ones aren't really fluent in English, but that's not a big deal- almost everyone I would interact with can communicate in a language I understand.


Does it really matter what clothes they wear? The immigrants I know pretty much all wear normal Western clothes, aside from some Muslim girls who also wear a head covering.


Then you know what you should do? Emigrate. Go someplace less crowded. Over here in America we have plenty of rural areas with almost all white people. Look at an electoral map for the 2008 presidential election- basically any red-colored state is sparsely populated and predominantly white.


Unfortunately, no, we would not be free to settle in those places. Japan has a rather xenophobic and racist tendency, Israel is a state for Jews, and Saudi Arabia is a backwards, barbaric country. Luckily for me, I'm not interested in living in any of those places. (Actually, we would be permitted to go there if we wanted- we just might have some restrictions on us, ie Japanese immigrants never get full citizenship rights)


Blacks typically vote overwhelmingly in favor of Democrats. This is largely because of the Democratic party history, going back to FDR, of supporting civil rights, and the fact that the Republican party is somewhat antagonistic towards blacks. La Raza are fringe nut jobs, much like yourself and ascan, and I oppose them just as much as I oppose you. The underlying ideology between you and they is the same. Also, enough of your world Jewish conspiracy. There isn't some shady group of Jewish reptilians controlling everything. I don't say we live in a "post-racial" society, only that progress has been made and I would like for it to continue.


Australian aborigines were reproductively isolated from other populations for longer than the English ever were, but I'm certain you could find where they mixed with some other group.


My experience shows that people are pretty similar anywhere you go.


Me a conformist? That's something I rarely hear. Also, you're falling prey to what is known as the false consensus effect. Your views are much more fringe than you imagine.

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Let's not forget that it would be hypocritical for most of us from "western" descent to be sitting here criticizing about immigrants since most non-"western" countries were conquered and colononized by the west or shall I say immigrants of european descent?

I don't know, I'm getting more and more confused between the terminology in how immigrants and "race" is used since gypsies and muts seem to be out of the equation....

I don't believe differences between natives and recent immigrants
are primarily racial or cultural.
They are mainly differences of social status, finance and education.

The classy, self sufficient and well read immigrant never seams far
out of place, unlike the lowly, poor uneducated majority of immigrants.

The lowly, poor and uneducated are a problem in any society, but
not just a product of immigration. The lower classes are there even
with out immigration.
When immigration makes the problem worse it is a sign of society's
failure to solve the problems of social inequality; not a problem
inherent in immigration.

^succinctly put

im saying the same thing to people here.

we're HALF the size of sweden, nothing but rock and forests, and still people cry about foreigners coming here.

we can technically fit what a billion people in here, geographically speaking so untill then... shut up and enjoy the diversity

amen to that dude

Actually I wouldn't. One group whose immigration we must control is the Muslims. There is a potential for young adult Muslim males to be drafted into Jihadist extreme groups. The first attack on the WTC was cooked up in Newark N.J. by a group of Jihadists let by an Egyptian cleric.

But other non-Muslim groups from Asia would make good additions to the American Mix. Also people from India could make some significant contributions to the American prosperity. Here in New Jersey, Indian immigrants and their first generation American children do very well in business and academic pursuits. About half the pharmacies in Middlesex County New Jersey are run by people with Indian surnames. In New Jersey we do not have self service gas stations, Many of the gas stations are owned or operated by Indians, Hispanics and other non-Anglo saxon or European type immigrants. These people work hard and pay taxes. I think they make their contribution to American well being.

ruveyn

They're in power...too late.

I read the following this morning, and thought you might find it interesting. It shows how saying the wrong thing about this subject can potentially get you locked-up in Europe. Being "clever" about the immigrant situation is not possible this side of the Atlantic.



The official in question is being investigated by the police. That's the typical reaction of most European governments toward people who voice dissent too effectively. Even the relatively right-wing source (The Telegraph) compare his comments to Nazi race theory, when they're obviously nothing of the sort.

For article click here

yeah that's pretty darn racist, saying it's comparable to the Nazi's is probably the telegraph assuaging it's own guilty conscience on the issue of racism. I'm not defending anyone else's sexist attitude but Sarrazin's said and done nothing positive or constructive. How many women are among the executives of the Bundesbank? Or in any of the grades directly below executive level?

Well, women are usually under-represented because many choose to spend time with their children whilst raising a family. Most senior management jobs require a level of commitment that doesn't allow that.

Yeah I think I've seen one or two of your posts on this particular point before. Let's just say we disagree on this issue as well.

Why is it that every member of the ultraright seems to forget that the ratio of black Gore voters to black Bush voters in 2000 was 10:1?

The few extra percentage points for Obama may reflect the fact he was a much more exciting candidate than Gore generally.

Honestly, I've never seen how immigration and "diversity" are so good for us.

What are the good things about "diversity"? Sure, it gives me some good ethnic restaurants I can eat at. Otherwise, I don't see any benefits. Most everyone segregates themselves anyway. The Chinese just talk to the Chinese, the Indians just talk to the Indians, the Somalians just talk to the Somalians etc. Someone tune me in on what I'm missing here.

I don't see many benefits of immigration, either. I suppose the cheap, under-the-table labor gives us cheaper produce, but a lot of the poor, laboring immigrants don't really contribute much to the economy or anything. A lot of them just send their extra money back home to their families.

To clarify, I'm not saying that immigration and diversity are necessarily bad, per se. I just don't see why they're so good is all.

Immigration and asylum got the U.S. its atomic bomb with which the Pacific War was ended without the forceful invasion of Japan. The A-bomb was made mostly by scientists who fled Europe for several and sundry reasons.

Immgration and asylum also enabled us to get our rocket program off the ground.

Prior the the late 1930's the U.S. did not have a first rate theoretical science establishment. Even smart Americans like Robert Oppenheimer had to go to Germany to learn quantum physics. With a sufficiently liberal immigration policy we inherited the cream of Europe's intellectual establishment.

ruveyn

1) Informs us on the conditions, attitudes, and psychology of other cultures. This is generally useful when trying to decipher the world we live in.
2) Gives the country connections to other parts of the world. If the experience of immigrants is positive (i.e. like Canada) than it increases the positive image of the diverse country around the world.
3) Can bring ideas and innovative professionals to a new country.
4) Fosters a need to cooperate between different groups - if sucessful, can have a healthy effect on the political culture.
5) Ethnic food establishments - better than greasy fries from MacDonalds! (I'm only being half sarcastic here)