jc6chan wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
jc6chan wrote:
There hasn't been suicide bombings recently
Right. Now it is mostly rockets from Gaza.
ruveyn
Nope, the rockets stopped ever since a ceasefire was declared after operation cast lead in the dec 2008-jan 2009 war.
Nope:
List of Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel, 2009jc6chan wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
“If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence.
Probably true, but would israel continue to expand settlements in the occupied west bank?
Most Israelis don't support the settlers, but since the withdrawal from Gaza met with rocket attacks, they'd rather leave the settlements than risk rockets from the West Bank.
The longer the rocket attacks go on, the bigger the settler population grows relative to the mainstream Israeli population (settlers have as many children as Palestinians), and the less power Israel has to stop them.
I think the people of the Middle East would do well to adopt Ray Hanania's peace proposal:
http://www.themediaoasis.com/yallapeace/platform.htmRay Hanania wrote:
Here's my campaign platform and I think it's doable because Israelis and Palestinians are already responding positively. This is an overview and details will be forthcoming to help understand the overriding concept. That concept is simple -- instead of working out the details, focus on the bigger picture and define a final peace. Then work backwards and resolves issues. Individual issues are interrelated and it is not possible to resolve the details individually without knowing where we are headed together and how they relate to other details that may or may not be resolved.:
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I support two-states, one Israel and one Palestine. As far as I am concerned, I can recognize Israel’s “Jewish” character and Israelis should recognize Palestine’s “non-Jewish” character.
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I oppose violence of any kind from and by anyone. I reject Hamas’ participation in any Palestinian government without first agreeing to surrender all arms and to accept two-states as a “final” peace agreement. But I also reject allowing Israeli settlers to carry any weapons and believe Israelis must impose the same restrictions on them.
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I can support some settlements remaining [in Israeli control] – given the reality of 42 years of time passing -- in a dunum-for-dunum land exchange. If Ariel is 500 dunums with a lifeline from Israel, then Israel gives Palestine 500 dunums in exchange.
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Jerusalem should be a shared city and Palestinians should have an official presence in East Jerusalem. The Old City should be shared by both permitting open access to the city to all with a joint Palestinian-Israeli police presence. [Currently Israel maintains a sharing of the Temple Mount or Haram al-Ash Sharif and that relationship can be worked out better under the direction of two government sin peace.]
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Palestinian refugees would give up their demand to return to pre-1948 homes and lands lost during the conflict with Israel. Instead, some could apply for family reunification through Israel and the remainder would be compensated through a fund created and maintained by the United States, Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia and the United Nations.
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I also think Israelis should find it in their hearts to show compassion and offer their apologies to Palestinians for the conflict. [See below a provision for both sides to apologize to each other -- it's not just one-sided]
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I support creation of a similar fund to compensate those Jews from Arab lands who lost their homes and lands, too, when they fled.
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I think the Wall should be torn down, or relocated to the new borders. I have no problem separating the two nations for a short duration to help rebuild confidence between our two people.
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All political parties, Palestinian and Israelis, should eliminate languages denying each other’s existence, and all maps should be reprinted so that Israeli maps finally show Palestine and Palestinian maps finally show Israel.
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A subway system should be built linking the West Bank portion of the Palestine state to the Gaza Strip portion of the Palestine State. Palestine should be permitted to build a seaport access to strengthen its’ industry, and an airport to permit flights and too and from the Arab and Israeli world.
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I would urge the Arab World to renew their offer to normalize relations with Israel if Israel agrees to support the creation of a Palestinian State.
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And I would ask both countries to establish embassies in each other’s country to address other problems.
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While non-Jewish Palestinians would continue to live in Israel as citizens, Jews who wish to live in settlements surrendered by Israel could become Palestinian citizens [or possibly retain their Israeli citizenship in terms of voting rights while living under Palestinian laws] and they should be recognized and treated equally.
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If Jews want to live in Hebron, they should be allowed to live in Hebron and should be protected, just as non-Jews. In fact, for every Jewish individual seeking to live in Palestine, a Palestinian should be permitted to live in Israel. In fact, major Palestinian populations in Israel could be annexed into Palestine (like settlements). [This concept will be elaborated on in more detail in a paper to be released Dec. 4 called the Settler-Refugee Exchange Program.]
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Another concept is to have non-Jews living in Israel continue to live there but only vote in Palestinian elections, while Jews living in Palestine would only vote in Israeli elections. A special citizenship protection committee could be created to explore how to protect the rights of minorities in each state.
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Israel and Palestine should create joint-governing and security agencies working with the United States to monitor the peace, and establish an agency to pursue criminal acts of violence.
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Both Israel and Palestine apologize to each other and recognize the hardships and pain they each have caused to each other in this conflict. [This was added following publication in the Jerusalem Post and Haaretz]
ASPER wrote:
You people act like babies when you're confronted on your tricks.
Go ahead, call me a racist, call me a Nazi, it would be uncommon if you didn't.
Why yes, acting like a racist will get you labelled a racist. I wonder why?
You people (racists) always whine about being called racists when confronted on your tricks. But at least the fact that you aren't proud of being racist shows there's still a glimmer of humanity in you. Hopefully it can overcome your hatred and ignorance before it's too late.
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12 Dec 2009, 2:02 am
