Is the United Kingdom no longer a sovereign state?

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12 Dec 2009, 10:27 am

Culture is useless if one is not aware of it, or refuses to learn about it. ;p

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12 Dec 2009, 3:08 pm

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A global governance or "New World Order" is being (or as some would say, "has now been") established, it is pluralistic and it has no room for people like me who do not embrace it. Do you have any disagreement with that simple statement?

wait, wait, dude....are you trying to say that a global order of pluralist society/ies, which you define as embracing a multiplicity of faiths and religions, has actively sought to exclude you because of your faith?

wow

anyone got a definition of cognitive dissonance handy?

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12 Dec 2009, 3:12 pm

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Are you talking about some new cultural trends, where "pluralism" and "diversity" are embraced as buzzwords?

No. I am talking about the so-called "war on terror".

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12 Dec 2009, 3:14 pm

TitusLucretiusCarus wrote:

....are you trying to say that a global order of pluralist society/ies ... has actively sought to exclude you because of your faith?

No. I have clearly and only said it does not leave room for people who are not pluralists.

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12 Dec 2009, 3:16 pm

Question: Can anyone explain why a so-called "war on terror" was needed to address the crime committed by people flying planes into buildings on 9-11?

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12 Dec 2009, 3:57 pm

because it wasn't - it was the necessary pre-text for other engagements the administration of the day wanted to get into - Iraq for one, Afghanistan did not require an invasion force - special forces snatch squads would have been the proper response in my lay opinion.

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No. I have clearly and only said it does not leave room for people who are not pluralists.

you said "Where many people believe the theory of "more than one or more than two kinds of ultimate reality ... composed of a plurality of entities", others believe there is but One who is ultimately sovereign and almighty. Now of course, Merriam-Webster has there made no specific reference to deity or whatever, yet we all know the so-called "war on terror" is about relieving the world of "terrorists" unwilling to conform to pluralism ... and I leave that for you to do with as you will ..." - my inference being that due to your faith you do not accept the legitimacy of any other views of the world and are therefore not a pluralist and that you believe this pluralist society has set out to 'relieve the world' of all those who will not conform to pluralism - hence why I said, as you quoted me, "are you trying to say that a global order of pluralist society/ies ... has actively sought to exclude you because of your faith?" so the correct answer is 'Yes.'

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12 Dec 2009, 7:04 pm

LJ, no one seems able to understand what you're saying. Communicate more clearly if you don't want to be misunderstood.

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12 Dec 2009, 7:19 pm

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You said the goal of the war on terror was to send a message to "non-pluralists" that they must "conform or die." You identified yourself as a non-pluralist. Thus, Bush launched the war on terror to, ultimately, kill you and others like you. What else am I to conclude you mean?

When did I become responsible for your conclusions? What you read into things is your affair, not mine.

So what the hell did you mean?

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Yes. For one, it's too damn nebulous. What precisely do you mean when you say "has no room for people like [you] who do not embrace it"? Also, NWO remains paranoid conspiracy ravings. It doesn't exist.

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12 Dec 2009, 8:00 pm

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What precisely do you mean when you say "has no room for people like [you] who do not embrace it"?

What other conclusion might you have me draw from GWB's speech? I do not have it directly in front of me at the moment, but he said something to the effect that every nation in every region is now either with "us", the pluralists, or with the terrorists.

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Also, NWO remains paranoid conspiracy ravings. It doesn't exist.

NWO, Global Governance or whatever else you might want to call it, and unless I am recalling a wrong word here, what are the "regions" GWB had mentioned?

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12 Dec 2009, 9:55 pm

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Also, NWO remains paranoid conspiracy ravings. It doesn't exist.

It exists in the hearts of many as a boogieman to promote extreme nationalism and xenophobia.

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12 Dec 2009, 10:25 pm

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Dammit, you're reading stuff in that's not there. On top of that, you're still using the wrong definition of pluralist. And lastly, GWB is not in power anymore! That speech was little more than posturing. It means nothing for long-term policy.

So what, when there is "no room for you" do you mean that armed goons are going to come kill you at some point? Just what exactly are you even trying to say?

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NWO, Global Governance or whatever else you might want to call it, and unless I am recalling a wrong word here, what are the "regions" GWB had mentioned?

Yeah, you really have to be more specific. I can't comment on a single word probably taken out of context, especially from one of the most moronic world leaders of recent memory.

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12 Dec 2009, 10:46 pm

Whatever words or definitions I might use, the very thing I am talking about is happening right here ... and I do not say that as a complaint. If pluralism is a good thing with room for everyone who does not threaten anyone's "life, liberty or pursuit of happiness", then show it to me here and now.

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12 Dec 2009, 10:48 pm

If you look on the back of your $1 bill: "Novus Ordo Seclorum" "New World Order"

The conspiracy is over 200 years old.

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12 Dec 2009, 10:54 pm

pandabear wrote:

If you look on the back of your $1 bill: "Novus Ordo Seclorum" "New World Order"

The conspiracy is over 200 years old.

Someone has suggested that is not an accurate translation of what appears there, but desires for control of the entire world nevertheless go back much farther than that!

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12 Dec 2009, 11:02 pm

pandabear wrote:

If you look on the back of your $1 bill: "Novus Ordo Seclorum" "New World Order"

The conspiracy is over 200 years old.

Novus Ordo Seclorum does not mean New World Order.

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