One more example of why I detest Capitalism

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I agree with social class being largely hereditary. Take a pro football player that grew up poor for example. What happens is, he earns all of this money, but somehow manages to blow it all, not save anything, or make any wise investments. The result is, after his career is over, he ends up right where he started at...flat broke. People are rich because they have those certain characteristics that it takes to become, and stay rich. That's not to say those traits are all good ones, because they aren't.

I love how people blame the big banks, Wall Street and corporations for the mess our country is in. Sure they have had a large hand in it, but everyday people also had a hand in it, with their ignorance, inresponsibilty, and selfish ways.

The only way to change our screwed up society, is to fix the heart of the problem, which is people themselves.

Believe it or not, you're closer than anyone/anything else to what I believe as well.

Whenever people say "I can't get ahead in my company, cause of my boss", my question to them is "then why are you still working there?"

I believe nature is run by logic, and humans are mostly run by emotion..and that they've been clashing since Day 1. I even believe that the "re-set button" on the Constitution( just work with me here) could be pressed tomorrow, and one year from now, we'll be in exactly the same place we were before.

If people really wanted better for themselves, they'd go for it, rather than just settling...but they don't. It's why I've lost almost all my empathy/sympathy for others, and can often come off as very condescending, when I don't fully mean it.

In fact, aside from my retail website, my day job is at an indoor water park resort/hotel, and I'm usually in the ice cream booth in the water park. Bear in mind that we're very close to Michigan. A lot of folks from Flint head our way, and after dealing with them, I keep thinking:

"your factories went under, and you guys haven't had any major innovations to improve the economy up in Michigan? Really? I would've never guessed it...."

I'm actually someone who really doesn't blame the government too much in a bad economy either; I'm not saying they don't make really stupid moves, but I tell people "who elected the people that made the stupid moves? Who keeps electing these people? There's your problem"

More often than not, people are rich because they were born into a position that promised them wealth- ie they inherited wealth, or their parents were able to provide them with better opportunities than anyone raised in the inner city by a single parent would ever get.


The difference is that people in charge of big banks, Wall Street, and corporations should know better.


Yeah, that's not going to happen. People fundamentally are pretty much going to stay the same as they always have been. We have to find workarounds for the idiocy of the general public.

I agree with both you and Silverstar here.

Not everyone who becomes rich was born into it; many just had the drive and the instinct to become successful; take Mr. T, Bernie Mac, Chris Rock, and Walt Disney alone. Even Warren Buffett...though a few of his credentials I find questionable.

I do, however, agree with you that people fundamentally will stay the same. It's one of the 48 Laws of Power, which I tell people on these forums to look at all the time.

And, instead of caving in to what the masses "want", learn the rules so well, to find a pattern with what people will do, and use that information to our advantage..instead of again "selling ourselves out"

Why should those in big corporations and banks automatically know better if you just said yourself that the masses are idiots? You don't think idiots promote other idiots they can relate to on "that level" to higher positions? Please tell me you've read the 48 Laws of Power. Once you do...none of this will same insane to you. I never said the majority will make any sense, I just said none of what they do will really surprise you.

Maybe not airlifting - but Cuba has a nation that continues to impose a blockade on its soil to fly right through its airspace, to the boon of the Haitian maimed.

Cuba Aids Haiti Relief
22 January 2010



http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-N ... US-flights

And perhaps not as much as the US, but Cuba has sent a few doctors.



http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/world/ ... s-to-Haiti

And - as DentArthurDent has already pointed out - Moore is no Orthodox Lenninist. He naively believes that sufficient change is possible without killing hordes of political opponents - "infantile leftism" as Lennin and his morally depraved followers call it.

I don't even bother voting, because for one thing, you have limited options on who you vote for, so you would basically be voting for the lesser of the evils, and it's kind of pointless when everyone around you is voting for someone based on how they look, what race they are, how popular they are, etc.

Key note on the "quasi". The China, Japan, and Asian Tigers seem so very successful because they macro-manage the economy.

I don't vote anymore either. In fact, all those people who blame Hoover for the Great Depression..my question is "and who were the idiots who voted him and the other ret*ds in Congress who screwed things up in power in the first place?"

Most people are barely informed on anything, but vote mainly because "that way, I matter". My response "no....y'don't; y'wanna matter? paint my house".

If all the people who wanted to vote for Ross Perot followed through he would've been President.

it also helps that they're...y'know...making products people actually want, which supports supply-side economics.

Well, ok, but "I scratch your back, you scratch mine" isn't really the context of what is being talked about. The real issue is Dent's desire for a society that works on the premise of institutional altruism. I do think that this argument is sufficient to point out the institutional incentives towards egoism within societies.

In any case, I think that the kinds of notions that you are putting forward don't really disagree much with 3. I mean, let's say that our institution buys something like bonds. An institutional "I scratch your back, you scratch mine"(You pay me now, I pay you later). Well, in this case what is really happening is that they are changing the resources that they have, they aren't giving up resources. Thus, 3 is maintained. Anything less formal but similar to a bond also seems to fit though in this case, as the literal formal structure of the bond isn't the issue so much as the expected changes to resources.

I've tried in the past to explain the basic mathematics of this issue to people, and they don't seem to understand that their vote is completely irrelevant to the outcome. An entire county is often well within the margin of error in tallying votes (assuming no fraud).

What you should actually be explaining to them is that it's not that it's irrelevant to the outcome; it's that the politicians they're positive don't represent their ideas--whom they vote in regardless--entirely do represent their ideas.

It's like this:

the average voter goes "I can't manage my finances to save my life, cause I'm irresponsible, and short-sighted in terms of thinking. I want a guy who understands/even is the little guy, who knows the problems we face, and understands where I'm coming from, and I want him to fix all of that...even though I'm basically asking for someone just like me"

I barely trust the average guy to prepare my burger properly at McDonald's; do I really trust him to be great in DC?

Plus, the average voter also then gets hoodwinked by non-"average Joes" who pretend to be the average Joe( such as William Henry Harrison).

Just a thought, looking at your picture, one would think you lean more towards monarchism than capitalism. <.<

For an interesting point of view of how capitalism is leading to the destruction of any decent future for life on Earth see http://www.counterpunch.org/gelderloos02012010.html

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Stirring the crap pot does seem to yield strong results.