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21 Feb 2010, 5:12 am

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Certainly could of been worst and must have terrorized the people near the site of impact.


My wife had been terrorized by a mouse. To label a mouse a terrorist is going a bit too far. Many people can be terrorized by all sorts of things not intended to be an act of terror. There was no agenda, just frustration and anger.



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21 Feb 2010, 8:08 am

There is nothing to be afraid of but fear itself.
Avoid cowards, because you might accidentally terrorize them.



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21 Feb 2010, 8:13 am

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There is nothing to be afraid of but fear itself.
Avoid cowards, because you might accidentally terrorize them.


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21 Feb 2010, 8:18 am

He should have just moved to some tax haven.



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21 Feb 2010, 8:34 am

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He should have just moved to some tax haven.


He's in one now.



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21 Feb 2010, 8:42 am

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He should have just moved to some tax haven.


He's in one now.


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21 Feb 2010, 12:27 pm

Ah, so he was a tax dodger . . . yup, i have no sympathy for him. Granted, we all know that the gov't is only trying to sponge up money from the middle class, but there are other ways to get them without committing an epic-fail suicide run.



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21 Feb 2010, 12:40 pm

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Ah, so he was a tax dodger . . . yup, i have no sympathy for him. Granted, we all know that the gov't is only trying to sponge up money from the middle class, but there are other ways to get them without committing an epic-fail suicide run.

I don't think I would have recommended the 'run for office' option for this guy either though - unless the whole idea is making the suggestion that he'd get two votes - from his wife and his dog, maybe a few additional votes from local high school anarchists.

On a completely different note though, and I mean completely different as I only bring it up because tax evaders are being held up against tax resisters, compared and contrasted, I definitely think that something good will come of the tea parties if some of the brighter people in that (ie. the more economic conservatives, more libertarian perhaps than social conservative) start getting involved in the political process, running for governorships, House of Representatives, Senate, etc.. Those in the tea parties don't like the dems, don't like the republican party either but feel its closer to being a badly watered down version of what they believe in than an antithesis, likely would clean a lot of the crap out of the republican party if they, in large enough droves, joined and replaced old-hat politicians who might just have their heads too lost in DC to have a sense of what's really going on around them. So in the case of the tax resisters - I'm very much encouraged with them getting into CPAC and making an influence, they'll likely be haggling it out with most of the current establishment to get a better sense of where their ideas make sense vs. which ones are unrealistic (ie. I still think for all Ron Paul's strong points he has some scary naivities - I think we can do better), and from that we may - not guaranteed but may - have a better breed of politician.


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21 Feb 2010, 1:07 pm

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Here it is folks. The online game.

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/528055

Torch your house and then fly an aircraft into the tax building.

Should I be shocked or amused?

Amused. I know I am.



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27 Mar 2010, 10:48 pm

Sand wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
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Certainly could of been worst and must have terrorized the people near the site of impact.


My wife had been terrorized by a mouse. To label a mouse a terrorist is going a bit too far. Many people can be terrorized by all sorts of things not intended to be an act of terror. There was no agenda, just frustration and anger.


http://www.statesman.com/news/local/cra ... 62037.html

If you were in any way, shape, or form related to Vernon Hunter, your attitude would be much, much less callous.



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27 Mar 2010, 11:00 pm

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He even dragged his wife into the mess-he got her to not report some small income she had (apparently she was teaching piano lessons or something-she's a classically trained pianist), and the CPA he hired helpfully told the IRS that he was hiding income. His wife eventually got sick of him, and walked out. That's why he snapped. Mamas, don't let your babies marry tax protesters.


I think that's a very clear difference between this guy and the tea party protesters. This guy simply did not want to pay taxes, the tea party protesters are fine paying taxes but they're much more concerned about the overspending end. From recent news though it sounds like Greece and the UK needed tea parties even worse than we did.


What a horribly metaphysical objection - and a moot one at that. Almost everyone who "simply [does] not want to pay taxes" rationalizes it with some moral objection to taxation.

Furthermore, many prominent tea partisan speakers and rally attendees express sympathy for this guy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/opinion/28rich.html



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27 Mar 2010, 11:02 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
Sand wrote:
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Certainly could of been worst and must have terrorized the people near the site of impact.


My wife had been terrorized by a mouse. To label a mouse a terrorist is going a bit too far. Many people can be terrorized by all sorts of things not intended to be an act of terror. There was no agenda, just frustration and anger.


http://www.statesman.com/news/local/cra ... 62037.html

If you were in any way, shape, or form related to Vernon Hunter, your attitude would be much, much less callous.


I am not at all callous. That Hunter was killed was pretty much a matter of chance than intent. The protest was a mindless act of frustrated anger and not aimed at an individual.



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27 Mar 2010, 11:03 pm

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http://www.statesman.com/news/local/crash-victims-son-my-dad-would-have-helped-262037.html

If you were in any way, shape, or form related to Vernon Hunter, your attitude would be much, much less callous.


How does the fact that one family suffered a personal tragedy elevate a murder-suicide to an act of terrorism? Oh right, it suits your politics better that way...


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27 Mar 2010, 11:19 pm

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Master_Pedant wrote:
http://www.statesman.com/news/local/crash-victims-son-my-dad-would-have-helped-262037.html

If you were in any way, shape, or form related to Vernon Hunter, your attitude would be much, much less callous.


How does the fact that one family suffered a personal tragedy elevate a murder-suicide to an act of terrorism? Oh right, it suits your politics better that way...


The fact that this case pretty much fits almost all ostensive definitions is quite inconvient for your militia fantasy politics, I know. But that doesn't negate the fact that flying planes into buildings kamikaze style with the intent to kill civillians (people not employed by the military) to scare political foes IS THE PLATONIC IDEAL OF TERRORISM.

The fact Joseph Stack failed miserably (not to undermine the death of Vernon Hunter, but Stack's goals were more in line with massacre than individual murder) to murder as many people as he wanted doesn't negate that fact.



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28 Mar 2010, 12:15 am

Master_Pedant wrote:
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http://www.statesman.com/news/local/crash-victims-son-my-dad-would-have-helped-262037.html

If you were in any way, shape, or form related to Vernon Hunter, your attitude would be much, much less callous.


How does the fact that one family suffered a personal tragedy elevate a murder-suicide to an act of terrorism? Oh right, it suits your politics better that way...


The fact that this case pretty much fits almost all ostensive definitions is quite inconvient for your militia fantasy politics, I know. But that doesn't negate the fact that flying planes into buildings kamikaze style with the intent to kill civillians (people not employed by the military) to scare political foes IS THE PLATONIC IDEAL OF TERRORISM.

The fact Joseph Stack failed miserably (not to undermine the death of Vernon Hunter, but Stack's goals were more in line with massacre than individual murder) to murder as many people as he wanted doesn't negate that fact.


How do you know he had murder on his mind? Perhaps he just wanted to destroy as much property as possible as a violent protest.



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28 Mar 2010, 1:28 am

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How do you know he had murder on his mind? Perhaps he just wanted to destroy as much property as possible as a violent protest.

That would still be terrorism.


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