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Who would you like to see win the election?
Poll ended at 08 May 2010, 5:44 pm
Labour Party - Gordon Brown 18%  18%  [ 7 ]
Conservative Party - David Cameron 13%  13%  [ 5 ]
Liberal Democrats - Nick Clegg 45%  45%  [ 18 ]
Other 25%  25%  [ 10 ]
Total votes : 40

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15 Apr 2010, 5:01 pm

After the first television party leader election debate in UK history shown on itv1 and itv1hd, instant opinion polls have shown a clear winner in this debate. Similar to the current lead in the WrongPlanet poll shown here (42%), Nick Clegg of the Liberal Democrats has come out on top in the itvnews poll, Sky News poll and YouGov poll for the Sun newspaper. Interestingly enough, the result from the YouGov for the Sun newspaper poll, a newspaper currently supporting the Conservative Party has given Nick Clegg the largest majority in these polls with a result of 51%

There are another two television debates still to come as well as separate debates for Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland next week.



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16 Apr 2010, 11:26 am

[img][650:481]http://mydavidcameron.com/images/data1.jpg[/img]

:lol:

But anyway, I watched the debate last night, was very interesting to hear their views and policies. We pretty much just laughed at all the Labour promises though since, you know, they've had thirteen years to do all this stuff they've been saying they're gonna do even since they first got in.



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16 Apr 2010, 3:41 pm

That's because they were using that time undoing the mess that Conservative governments had got us into.

I do not like these childish campaigns taking digs at other parties. The Labour Party do exactly the same thing. If they were really going to be so much better of an option than the other, then why can't they sell their policies? People don't want to vote for someone because their party's PR department does a better job of taking the piss out of other parties.

The main answer to my above question for the Conservative Party is that if they did sell what they would do in government, they wouldn't have a hope in hell of winning the election. To a certain extent, you could also say the same for every other party.



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17 Apr 2010, 7:29 am

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labour is now "new labour" ie rather right wing and conservative. it is really rather unfortunate that the UK is basically a two party state :(

I thought the Liberal Democrats were taking over the leftist role in British politics?

Anyways, polarized two-party states and monolithic single-party states are the only stable configurations; all other arrangements will tend to reach one of those two equilibrium points. The hope for "third parties" is a vain one.


Rubbish. In PR systems, multiple parties have to form coalitions and cooperate on issues. By all means, it makes little sense that those two configurations are the only equilibrium points - it varies from system to system.

A two-party system is pretty much a hallmark of most FPTP systems, combined with a rather class-obsessed electorate. I think that this stands to change in the UK, however, There are more floating, marginal voters than ever before. A mix of disappointed and uncertain, even apathetic voters will take LabCon by surprise.

The Liberal Democrats are in a position to become the main opposition or part of a coalition. Some electoral dynamics have changed. Of course, the system makes it hard for a party previously in third place to get a majority. However, the universal swing projection may be off-mark as there is an increased number of marginal voters who will shift from constituency to constituency.

I will be voting Liberal Democrat.



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17 Apr 2010, 8:21 am

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Rubbish. In PR systems, multiple parties have to form coalitions and cooperate on issues. By all means, it makes little sense that those two configurations are the only equilibrium points - it varies from system to system.

A two-party system is pretty much a hallmark of most FPTP systems, combined with a rather class-obsessed electorate. I think that this stands to change in the UK, however, There are more floating, marginal voters than ever before. A mix of disappointed and uncertain, even apathetic voters will take LabCon by surprise.

The Liberal Democrats are in a position to become the main opposition or part of a coalition. Some electoral dynamics have changed. Of course, the system makes it hard for a party previously in third place to get a majority. However, the universal swing projection may be off-mark as there is an increased number of marginal voters who will shift from constituency to constituency.

I will be voting Liberal Democrat.

I thought that the Liberal Democrats have ruled out forming a coalition?


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17 Apr 2010, 12:25 pm

[quote="Asp-Z"][img][650:481]http://mydavidcameron.com/images/data1.jpg[/img]


ahhahaha



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20 Apr 2010, 5:28 am

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That amount of money is tiny relative to the rest of the populace. In fact, someone did the calculations and found that immigration (by a few pennies per migrant) increases the income of this country.

And someone else did it and found that they were reducing our income by several pounds per immigrant. If you considered specific nationalities and ethnic groups I expect it may well run into costing us several £100s or £1000s per immigrant per annum. Furthermore, there's the misery inficted on the rest of us who have our neighbourhoods turned into something resembling a third-world slum. I don't want my taxes to be financing that. I resent it.



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20 Apr 2010, 5:44 am

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That's because they were using that time undoing the mess that Conservative governments had got us into.

You're too young to know this, but the Conservative's Thatcher did this country the biggest favour of any politician since Churchill. She almost destroyed the unions. Their ability to hold the UK to ransom was severely curtailed. Without that this country would have never enjoyed the relative-wealth it did under Blair, and after the events of the last few years we'd certainly be in the midst of another great depression if the likes of Scargill were still stirring-up trouble.

And you mentioned undoing mess; who's going to undo the mess Brown et al have got us in to? Massive debt and overpopulation. It'll take a miracle.



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20 Apr 2010, 12:30 pm

ascan wrote:
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That's because they were using that time undoing the mess that Conservative governments had got us into.

You're too young to know this, but the Conservative's Thatcher did this country the biggest favour of any politician since Churchill. She almost destroyed the unions. Their ability to hold the UK to ransom was severely curtailed. Without that this country would have never enjoyed the relative-wealth it did under Blair, and after the events of the last few years we'd certainly be in the midst of another great depression if the likes of Scargill were still stirring-up trouble.

And you mentioned undoing mess; who's going to undo the mess Brown et al have got us in to? Massive debt and overpopulation. It'll take a miracle.


Maggy did for Britain what Regan did for the U.S.. He started the undoing of the New Deal.

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20 Apr 2010, 12:46 pm

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It is somewhat a problem here in Scotland as our parliament has a number of popular parties. We have a coalition government just now with SNP and Green Party. Last year, Scottish Labour made a protest against SNP by getting together with Scottish Conservative and Scottish Liberal Democrats to vote against the budget, causing it to be delayed and costing millions of pounds.

The "coalition" system allows the parties to be divided into two camps (government and opposition) but this is of course unstable as not everyone in the coalition shares the same ideals, making the eventual collapse of coalition inevitable.


Switzerland has had coalition governments probably since before the US existed. Some European coalition governments have lasted for decades, so the system is not unstable.


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20 Apr 2010, 1:39 pm

pbcoll wrote:
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It is somewhat a problem here in Scotland as our parliament has a number of popular parties. We have a coalition government just now with SNP and Green Party. Last year, Scottish Labour made a protest against SNP by getting together with Scottish Conservative and Scottish Liberal Democrats to vote against the budget, causing it to be delayed and costing millions of pounds.

The "coalition" system allows the parties to be divided into two camps (government and opposition) but this is of course unstable as not everyone in the coalition shares the same ideals, making the eventual collapse of coalition inevitable.


Switzerland has had coalition governments probably since before the US existed. Some European coalition governments have lasted for decades, so the system is not unstable.

interestingly mind the swiss have had certain unsavoury elements creep in from their canton style, e.g. the swiss people voted to ban minarets, mosque towers. while this is not a criticism of coalitions, it is a criticism of power to the people referunda and cameron;s nimbyism manifesto



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20 Apr 2010, 1:42 pm

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e.g. the swiss people voted to ban minarets, mosque towers...

Seems like a great idea...



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20 Apr 2010, 1:51 pm

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Maggy did for Britain what Regan did for the U.S...

In the UK it's fashionable these days to criticise her. However, she was the best PM we've had since Churchill. Like I said, she crushed the unions, and she also sent the Argentinians packing when they invaded UK territory.



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20 Apr 2010, 2:58 pm

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That amount of money is tiny relative to the rest of the populace. In fact, someone did the calculations and found that immigration (by a few pennies per migrant) increases the income of this country.

And someone else did it and found that they were reducing our income by several pounds per immigrant. If you considered specific nationalities and ethnic groups I expect it may well run into costing us several £100s or £1000s per immigrant per annum. Furthermore, there's the misery inficted on the rest of us who have our neighbourhoods turned into something resembling a third-world slum. I don't want my taxes to be financing that. I resent it.

Go for it - show me the study. Please say it wasn't the BNP who did it though - I doubt most of them can count.

As for immigration, I am very greatful for the chinese immigrants who pay through the nose so I don't have to pay much for my top university place. What have they done to you?



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20 Apr 2010, 9:42 pm

ascan wrote:
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That's because they were using that time undoing the mess that Conservative governments had got us into.

You're too young to know this, but the Conservative's Thatcher did this country the biggest favour of any politician since Churchill. She almost destroyed the unions. Their ability to hold the UK to ransom was severely curtailed. Without that this country would have never enjoyed the relative-wealth it did under Blair, and after the events of the last few years we'd certainly be in the midst of another great depression if the likes of Scargill were still stirring-up trouble.

And you mentioned undoing mess; who's going to undo the mess Brown et al have got us in to? Massive debt and overpopulation. It'll take a miracle.

I may be too young, but I still know all this. Do you think the Conservative Party can sustain wealth for Britain? I don't. It's about the rich becoming richer and the poor becoming poorer. It's greed like this that harbours all the terrible things going on in our world today.



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21 Apr 2010, 6:41 am

It looks like a Lib-Dem landslide in this poll. This probably reflects the Aspies I personally know.