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18 Jun 2010, 4:53 pm

Count me in. I'm pretty much in the same boat as Richard Dawkins, that belief in supernatural deities borders on delusion.


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18 Jun 2010, 5:06 pm

Ergo_Proxy wrote:
Count me in. I'm pretty much in the same boat as Richard Dawkins, that belief in supernatural deities borders on delusion.

Done.



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18 Jun 2010, 6:58 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Ergo_Proxy wrote:
Count me in. I'm pretty much in the same boat as Richard Dawkins, that belief in supernatural deities borders on delusion.

Done.


That's nicely put if you accept that supernatural belief is on the wrong side of the border.



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18 Jun 2010, 7:21 pm

Ergo_Proxy wrote:
Count me in. I'm pretty much in the same boat as Richard Dawkins, that belief in supernatural deities borders on delusion.


We should only believe in natural deities.

As for me, I worship at most, one god.

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18 Jun 2010, 7:45 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Ergo_Proxy wrote:
Count me in. I'm pretty much in the same boat as Richard Dawkins, that belief in supernatural deities borders on delusion.


We should only believe in natural deities.

As for me, I worship at most, one god.

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I don't ass kiss any imaginary monsters.



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18 Jun 2010, 8:02 pm

Sand wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
We should only believe in natural deities.

As for me, I worship at most, one god.

ruveyn


I don't ass kiss any imaginary monsters.

He's probably reffering to himself.



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18 Jun 2010, 8:09 pm

Lecks wrote:
Sand wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
We should only believe in natural deities.

As for me, I worship at most, one god.

ruveyn


I don't ass kiss any imaginary monsters.

He's probably reffering to himself.


But, if you read ruveyn's posts you are well informed that he is as real as any monster can become.



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18 Jun 2010, 8:39 pm

Will the Atheists have a set of rituals and conventions?

A set of dogma? Powerful sermons?

A set of ten something-or-others (you need a list of 10 something-or-others, as in the 10 Commandments or the 10 Bill of Rights, or no-one will ever take you seriously).

I foresee eventual sectarian violence breaking out, with some Atheists claiming to disbelieve this, others to disbelieve that.

Eventually, the World Leader will adopt atheism as the official disbelief-system, with a special counsel somewhere to sort out the official terms of the disbelief system.

Will it be possible to commit blaspheme against an atheistic disbelief system?



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18 Jun 2010, 8:50 pm

pandabear, my answer to all questions is "Yes, absolutely". Nothing else is believable or conceivable. In fact, I pose this question to everybody: what would atheism be without religious behaviors?



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18 Jun 2010, 8:56 pm

Will we have to go door-to-door and win converts, like John Safran?

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18 Jun 2010, 9:00 pm

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Will the Atheists have a set of rituals and conventions?

A set of dogma? Powerful sermons?

A set of ten something-or-others (you need a list of 10 something-or-others, as in the 10 Commandments or the 10 Bill of Rights, or no-one will ever take you seriously).

I foresee eventual sectarian violence breaking out, with some Atheists claiming to disbelieve this, others to disbelieve that.

Eventually, the World Leader will adopt atheism as the official disbelief-system, with a special counsel somewhere to sort out the official terms of the disbelief system.

Will it be possible to commit blaspheme against an atheistic disbelief system?


1. Thou Shalt Not attribute intent or design.
2. Thou Shalt Not wasteth time in worship.
3. Thou Shalt Not have any gods period.
4. Thou Shalt Not impose thy morality upon thine neighbor.
5. Thou Shalt Not hand thy children to pervert priests.
6. Thou Shalt Not steal from another disbeliever.
7. Thou Shalt Not kill another disbeliever.
8. Thou Shalt Not reject thy free will.
9. Thou Shalt Not reject truth for the sake of comfort, companionship, peace or any other reason.
10. Thou Shalt Not blindly adopt the wisdom of the past.

As for blaspheme
Hrm... well if you said "I believe" that would be blasphemy.

Edit: #8 might not ring true for most WP Strident Atheists, so feel free to make suggestions/amendments. (Unlike the bible, and like national constitutions, there is a ratification mechanism.) :lol:



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18 Jun 2010, 10:06 pm

Exclavius wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Will the Atheists have a set of rituals and conventions?

A set of dogma? Powerful sermons?

A set of ten something-or-others (you need a list of 10 something-or-others, as in the 10 Commandments or the 10 Bill of Rights, or no-one will ever take you seriously).

I foresee eventual sectarian violence breaking out, with some Atheists claiming to disbelieve this, others to disbelieve that.

Eventually, the World Leader will adopt atheism as the official disbelief-system, with a special counsel somewhere to sort out the official terms of the disbelief system.

Will it be possible to commit blaspheme against an atheistic disbelief system?


1. Thou Shalt Not attribute intent or design.
2. Thou Shalt Not wasteth time in worship.
3. Thou Shalt Not have any gods period.
4. Thou Shalt Not impose thy morality upon thine neighbor.
5. Thou Shalt Not hand thy children to pervert priests.
6. Thou Shalt Not steal from another disbeliever.
7. Thou Shalt Not kill another disbeliever.
8. Thou Shalt Not reject thy free will.
9. Thou Shalt Not reject truth for the sake of comfort, companionship, peace or any other reason.
10. Thou Shalt Not blindly adopt the wisdom of the past.

As for blaspheme
Hrm... well if you said "I believe" that would be blasphemy.

Edit: #8 might not ring true for most WP Strident Atheists, so feel free to make suggestions/amendments. (Unlike the bible, and like national constitutions, there is a ratification mechanism.) :lol:


What the hell is that BS about free will doing in there?



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18 Jun 2010, 10:11 pm

Exclavius wrote:
4. Thou Shalt Not impose thy morality upon thine neighbor.

I don't know about that, I think some of that is necessary to be imposed somehow, (and well, how about imposing atheism? :P ask Creationists if they think evolution is an atheistic imposition already) and Sand has a point about free-will.


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18 Jun 2010, 10:17 pm

Re: Sand & #8
I did put the edit in there... Right at the bottom.

It also does kinda conflict with #1... unless you put a caveat on it.
But wait.. if there is no free will, what's the point of compiling a list, cause we're just gonna do what we're gonna do anyways.

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Dang... being a god-like law writer isn't all it's cracked up to be, eh? Just think of all the caveats that would be needed..... All those "unless this" "except that" etc.

Thou shalt not impose thy morality upon others, except for where it applies to this list.



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19 Jun 2010, 8:34 am

I suppose that on Sunday mornings, we will be listening to a Biologist read verses from Charles Darwin's Origin of Species, and then listening to sermons based loosely around the verses.

I wonder what our hymns will be like?



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19 Jun 2010, 9:25 am

pandabear wrote:
I suppose that on Sunday mornings, we will be listening to a Biologist read verses from Charles Darwin's Origin of Species, and then listening to sermons based loosely around the verses.

I wonder what our hymns will be like?


Science is not religion.

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