How much of the Bible do you believe is true?

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The inability to falsify a hypothesis does not increase said hypothesis' probability.

Have none of us anything better or more productive to do with out time?!

Destroying theists and their irrational beliefs in the supernatural can be quite productive. We want to get rid of these people from this world and embrace reason.

That is a bunch of rhetorical BS you will never convince me you actually believe! But either way, today's presence of Hebrews on earth proves the insanity of believing what you have suggested might be even remotely possible.

Destroying theists and their irrational beliefs in the supernatural can be quite productive. We want to get rid of these people from this world and embrace reason.

1) Leejosepho, a common issue in our reasoning and philosophy is Occam's razor. The fact of the matter is that if a naturalistic explanation ends up explaining everything, the theistic hypothesis will often be rejected because it doesn't provide us any further information.

2) The issue is that there are a few different perspectives on the existence of God.

a) [some people say:] We can prove God exists. This position is taken by some people on this forum.

b) [some people say:] We can find good evidence suggestive of the existence of God.

c) [some people say:] We can't prove either way that God exists, so let's be agnostic of it.

d) [some people say:] We can't prove God exists, but we can show the idea is unnecessary to the functioning of the world ...

d) [some people say:] ... so belief in God is not by Occam's razor justified, while disbelief is.

e) [some people say:] We can prove that the standard notions of God fail, meaning that God as presented by it does not exist.

Now, even between c) and d), the two "agnostic" positions, we can have a good debate ...

however, on this forum we have people across a-e, and all of those different positions have enough distinction that debate between them makes sense.

As for more productive.... *sigh*, this is the politics, philosophy, and religion forum. If people had good uses for their time, then these forums, and the subjects within them wouldn't exist.

This is a colossal testament to how bored ... people can be. Don't you know that by now?

This is a colossal testament to how ... stuck on silly ideas people can be. Don't you know that by now?

I cannot think of any reason to not accept that as rational and reasonable.



Rhetorically: Why is that an issue? I maintain only and variously because of human ego, fear, pride and/or ignorance (in whatever, if any, order).



Ah, those damnable "positions" again! "Positions" are pointless, senseless and of no consequence whatsoever when human ego, fear, pride and/or ignorance are not at play. But to the actual point:

"God" is quite capable of proving His existence to anyone He pleases whenever He wishes and no human being can possibly do that in His place!



Let us all let them all speak, and let us all remain reminded of each human being's inability to draw a conclusion in the mind of another.



Maybe we need to add sloth to the list of human troubles?!



Some folks might "think" they can do that, but they cannot.



I hide behind a beard rather than a razor!



As presented by what? I do not understand there.



Not with d) knocked away.



A *sensible* debate there can make sense, but the nonsense we instead often see here is only helpful to personal and/or cultic agendas.



Not in my own case.



Possibly in some cases, but certainly not in all.



Maybe if we double-team a few we can unstuck them!

The idea of destroying people just because you find their thinking contrary is itself devoid of reason. Gather any three humans together and you will soon have four opinions.

ruveyn

Using the term "science" somewhat loosely, I have heard there are believeable and trustworthy folks who say (or who have said) there is plenty of solid evidence for stating there once actually was a "'Jesus' of Nazareth" (or wherever).

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ruveyn

Rhetorically: Why is that an issue? I maintain only and variously because of human ego, fear, pride and/or ignorance (in whatever, if any, order).

Ah, those damnable "positions" again! "Positions" are pointless, senseless and of no consequence whatsoever when human ego, fear, pride and/or ignorance are not at play. But to the actual point:

"God" is quite capable of proving His existence to anyone He pleases whenever He wishes and no human being can possibly do that in His place!

Some folks might "think" they can do that, but they cannot.

I hide behind a beard rather than a razor!

As presented by what? I do not understand there.

Not with d) knocked away.

A *sensible* debate there can make sense, but the nonsense we instead often see here is only helpful to personal and/or cultic agendas.

Not in my own case.

First of all, there are many versions (translations as well as Bibles which contain different numbers of individual books) of the Bible.

To simply it (for those whose language is English), perhaps the KJV of the Bible is a starting point (~ first Bible in the English language more or less).

(1) These are the children of the prouince, that went vp out of the captiuitie, whom Nabuchodonosor the king of Babylon had caried away vnto Babylon: & came againe vnto Hierusalem and into Iuda euery one vnto his citie.
(2) They that came with Zorobabel [are these:] Iesua, Nehemiah, Saraiah, Rehelaia, Mardochai, Bilsan, Mispar, Biguai, Rehum, Baana. This is the number of the men of the people of Israel:
(3) The children of Pharos, two thousand an hundred seuentie and two.
(4) The children of Sephatia, three hundred seuentie and two.
(5) The children of Arath, seuen hundred seuentie and fiue.
(6) The children of the captaine of Moab, of the children of Iesua and Ioab, two thousand eyght hundred and twelue.
(7) The children of Elam, a thousand two hundred fiftie and foure.
(8) The children of Zathu, nine hundred and fouretie and fiue.
(9) The children of Zaccai, seuen hundred and threescore.
(10) The children of Bani, sixe hundred fouretie and two.
(11) The children of Bebal, sixe hundred twentie and three.
(12) The children of Asgad, a thousand two hundred twentie and two.
(13) The children of Adonicam, sixe hundred sixtie and sixe.
(14) The childre of Beguai, two thousand fiftie and sixe.
(15) The children of Adin, foure hundred fiftie and foure.
(16) The children of Ater of Hezekia, ninetie and eyght.
(17) The children of Bezai, three hundred twentie and three.
(18) The children of Iora, an hundred and twelue.
(19) The children of Hasum, two hundred twentie and three.
(20) The children of Gebbar, ninetie & fiue.
(21) The children of Bethlehem, an hundred twentie and three.
(22) The men of Netopha, fiftie and sixe.
(23) The men of Anathoth, an hundred twentie and eyght.
(24) The children of Asinaueth, fouretie and two.
(25) The children of Kiriathiarim, euen the children of Cephira and Beeroth, seuen hundred fouretie and three.
(26) The children of Harama and Geba, sixe hundred twentie and one.
(27) The men of Michmas, an hundred twentie and two.
(28) The men of Bethel and Hay, two hundred twentie and three.
(29) The children of Nebo, fiftie and two.
(30) The children of Magbis, an hundred fiftie and sixe.
(31) The childre of the other Elam, a thousand two hundred fiftie and foure.
(32) The children of Harim, three hundred and twentie.
(33) The children of Lodhadid and Ono, seuen hundred twentie and fiue.
(34) The childre of Iericho, three hundred fouretie and fiue.
(35) The children of Senaa, three thousand sixe hundred and thirtie.
(36) The priestes: of the children of Iedaia of the house of Iesua, nine hundred seuentie and three.
(37) The children of Immer, a thousand fiftie and two.
(38) The children of Phashur, a thousand two hundred fouretie and seuen.
(39) The children of Arim, a thousand and seuenteene.
(40) The Leuites: the children of Iesua & Cadmiel, of the children of Hodauia, seuentie and foure.
(41) The singers: the children of Asaph, an hundred twentie and eyght.
(42) The children of the doore kepers, the children of Sallum, the children of Ater, the children of Talmon, the children of Accub, the children of Hatita, the children of Sobai, altogether an hundred thirtie and nine.
(43) The Nethinims: the children of Ziha, the children of Asupha, the children of Tabaoth,
(44) The children of Ceros, the children of Siaa, the children of Padon,
(45) The children of Lebana, the children of Hagaba, the children of Accub,
(46) The children of Hagab, the children of Semlai, the children of Hanan,
(47) The children of Giddel, the children of Gahar, the children of Reaia,
(48) The children of Razin, the children of Necoda, the children of Gasam,
(49) The children of Uzza, the children of Paseah, the children of Besai,
(50) The children of Asna, the children of Mehunim, the children of Nephusim,
(51) The children of Bacbuc, the children of Hacupa, the children of Harhur,
(52) The children of Bazluth, the children of Mehida, the children of Harsa,
(53) The children of Barcos, the children of Sisara, the children of Thamah,
(54) The children of Neziah, the children of Hatipha.
(55) The children of Solomons seruautes, the children of Sotai, the children of Sophereth, the children of Peruda,
(56) The children of Iaala, the children of Darcon, the children of Giddel,
(57) The children of Sephatiah, the children of Hattil, the children of Pochereth Hazbaim, the children of Ami.
(58) All the Nethinims, and the children of Solomons seruauntes, were altogether three hundred ninetie and two.
(59) And these went vp from Thelmelah, and from Thelharsa, Cherub, Addon, and Immer: but they coulde not discerne their fathers house & their seede, whether they were of Israel.
(60) The children of Delata, the children of Tobia, the children of Necoda, sixe hundre fiftie and two.
(61) And of the children of the priestes: the children of Habaia, the children of Accoz, the childre of Berzillai, which toke one of the daughters of Berzillai the Gileadite to wyfe, and was called after their name.
(62) These sought their euidence among them that had the regester of birth, and were not founde therein, therefore were they put from the priesthood.
(63) And Hathirsatha said vnto them that they should not eate of the most holy, till there rose vp a priest [to weare] Urim and Thummim.
(64) The whole congregation together, was fouretie & two thousand, three hundred and threescore:
(65) Beside their seruauntes and maydens, of whom there were seuen thousand three hundred thirtie and seuen: And there were among them two hundred singing men and women.
(66) Their Horses were seuen hundred thirtie and sixe: their Mules two hundred fouretie and fiue,
(67) And their Camels foure hundred thirtie and fiue: their Asses sixe thousand seuen hundred and twentie.
(68) And certaine of the chiefe fathers, when they came to the house of the Lorde at Hierusalem, they offred them selues wylling for the house of God, to set it vp in his place:
(69) And gaue golde after their habilitie, vnto the treasure of the worke, euen threescore and one thousand peeces, and fiue thousand pounde of siluer, and an hundred priestes garmentes.
(70) So the priestes, and the Leuites and certaine of the people, and the singers, and the porters, and the Nethinims dwelt in their cities, and all Israel in their cities.

(1) These also are the sonnes of the prouince, that went vp out of the captiuitie (whome Nebuchadnezzar King of Babel had caried away vnto Babel) and returned to Ierusalem, and to Iudah, euery one vnto his citie,
(2) Which came with Zerubbabel, to wit, Ieshua, Nehemiah, Seraiah, Reelaiah, Mordecai, Bilshan, Mispar, Biguai, Rehum, Baanah. The number of the men of the people of Israel was,
(3) The sonnes of Parosh, two thousand, an hudreth seuentie and two:
(4) The sonnes of Shephatiah, three hundreth, seuentie and two:
(5) The sonnes of Arah, seuen hundreth, and seuentie and fiue:
(6) The sonnes of Pahath Moab, of the sonnes of Ieshua and Ioab, two thousand, eight hundreth and twelue:
(7) The sonnes of Elam, a thousande, two hundreth and foure and fiftie:
(8) The sonnes of Zattu, nine hundreth and fiue and fourtie:
(9) The sonnes of Zaccai, seuen hundreth and threescore:
(10) The sonnes of Bani, sixe hundreth and two and fourtie:
(11) The sonnes of Bebai, sixe hundreth, and three and twentie:
(12) The sonnes of Azgad a thousand, two hundreth and two and twentie:
(13) The sonnes of Adonikam, sixe hundreth, three score and sixe:
(14) The sonnes of Biguai, two thousand, & sixe and fiftie:
(15) The sonnes of Adin, foure hundreth and foure and fiftie:
(16) The sonnes of Ater of Hizkiah, ninetie & eight:
(17) The sonnes of Bezai, three hundreth and three and twentie:
(18) The sonnes of Iorah, an hudreth & twelue:
(19) The sonnes of Hasshum, two hundreth and three and twentie:
(20) The sonnes of Gibbar, ninetie and fiue:
(21) The sonnes of Beth-lehem, an hundreth and three and twentie:
(22) The men of Netophah, sixe and fiftie:
(23) The men of Anothoth, an hundreth and eight and twentie:
(24) The sonnes of Azmaueth, two & fourtie:
(25) The sonnes of Kiriath-arim, of Chephirah, and Beeroth, seuen hundreth & three & fourtie:
(26) The sonnes of Haramah and Gaba, six hundreth, and one and twentie:
(27) The men of Michmas, an hundreth & two and twentie:
(28) The sonnes of Beth-el & Ai, two hundreth, and three and twentie:
(29) The sonnes of Nebo, two and fiftie:
(30) The sonnes of Magbish, an hundreth and sixe and fiftie:
(31) The sonnes of the other Elam, a thousand, and two hundreth, and foure and fiftie:
(32) The sonnes of Harim, three hundreth and twentie:
(33) The sonnes of Lod-hadid, and Ono, seuen hundreth, and fiue and twentie:
(34) The sonnes of Iericho, three hundreth and fiue and fourtie:
(35) The sonnes of Senaah, three thousand, sixe hundreth and thirtie.
(36) The Priests: of the sonnes of Iedaiah of the house of Ieshua, nine hundreth seuentie and three:
(37) The sonnes of Immer, a thousand and two and fiftie:
(38) The sonnes of Pashur, a thousand, two hundreth and seuen and fourtie:
(39) The sonnes of Harim, a thousande and seuenteene.
(40) The Leuites: the sonnes of Ieshua, and Kadmiel of the sonnes of Hodauiah, seuentie and foure.
(41) The Singers: the sonnes of Asaph, an hundreth and eight and twentie.
(42) The sonnes of the porters: the sonnes of Shallum, the sonnes of Ater, the sonnes of Talmon, the sonnes of Akkub, the sonnes of Hatita, the sonnes of Shobai: all were an hundreth and nine and thirtie.
(43) The Nethinims: the sonnes of Ziha, the sonnes of Hasupha, the sonnes of Tabbaoth,
(44) The sonnes of Keros, the sonnes of Siaha, the sonnes of Padon,
(45) The sonnes of Lebanah, the sonnes of Hagabah, the sonnes of Akkub,
(46) The sonnes of Hagab, the sonnes of Shamlai, the sonnes of Hanan,
(47) The sonnes of Giddel, the sonnes of Gahar, the sonnes of Reaiah,
(48) The sonnes of Rezin, the sonnes of Nekoda, the sonnes of Gazzam,
(49) The sonnes of Vzza, the sonnes of Paseah, the sonnes of Besai,
(50) The sonnes of Asnah, the sonnes of Meunim, the sonnes of Nephusim,
(51) The sonnes of Bakbuk, the sonnes of Hakupa, the sonnes of Harhur,
(52) The sonnes of Bazluth, the sonnes of Mehida, the sonnes of Harsha,
(53) The sonnes of Barcos, the sonnes of Sisara, the sonnes of Thamah,
(54) The sonnes of Neziah, the sonnes of Hatipha,
(55) The sonnes of Salomons seruantes: the sonnes of Sotai, the sonnes of Sophereth, the sonnes of Peruda,
(56) The sonnes of Iaalah, the sonnes of Darkon, the sonnes of Giddel,
(57) The sonnes of Shephatiah, the sonnes of Hattil, the sonnes of Pochereth Hazzebaim, the sonnes of Ami.
(58) All the Nethinims, and the sonnes of Salomons seruants were three hundreth ninetie & two.
(59) And these went vp from Telmelah, and from Telharsha, Cherub, Addan, and Immer, but they could not discerne their fathers house and their seede, whether they were of Israel.
(60) The sonnes of Delaiah, the sonnes of Tobiah, the sonnes of Nekoda, six hundreth and two and fiftie.
(61) And of the sonnes of the Priestes, the sonnes of Habaiah, the sonnes of Coz, the sonnes of Barzillai: which tooke of the daughters of Barzillai the Giliadite to wife, and was called after their name.
(62) These sought their writing of the genealogies, but they were not founde: therefore were they put from the Priesthood.
(63) And Tirshatha saide vnto them, that they should not eate of the most holy thing, tell there rose vp a Priest with Vrim and Thummim.
(64) The whole Congregation together was two and fourtie thousande, three hundreth and threescore,
(65) Beside their seruants and their maydes: of whome were seuen thousande, three hundreth & seuen and thirtie: and among them were two hundreth singing men and singing women.
(66) Their horses were seuen hundreth, & sixe and thirtie: their mules, two hundreth and fiue and fourtie:
(67) Their camels foure hundreth, and fiue and thirtie: their asses, sixe thousand, seuen hundreth and twentie.
(68) And certeine of the chiefe fathers, when they came to the house of the Lord, which was in Ierusalem, they offred willingly for the house of God, to set it vp vpon his fundation.
(69) They gaue after their abilitie vnto the treasure of the worke, euen one and threescore thousand drammes of golde, and fiue thousand pieces of siluer, and an hundreth Priests garments.
(70) So the Priests and the Leuites, and a certeine of the people, and the singers, and the porters, and the Nethinims dwelt in their cities, and all Israel in their cities.

(1) Now these are the children of the prouince, that went vp out of the captiuitie, of those which had beene caried away, whom Nebuchadnezzar the King of Babylon had caried away vnto Babylon, and came againe vnto Ierusalem and Iudah, euery one vnto his citie;
(2) Which came with Zerubbabel, Ieshua, Nehemiah, Saraiah, Reelaiah, Mordecai, Bilshan, Mispar, Biguai, Rehum, Baanah: The number of the men of the people of Israel.
(3) The children of Parosh, two thousand, an hundred seuentie and two.
(4) The children of Shephatiah, three hundred seuentie and two.
(5) The children of Arah, seuen hundred, seuentie and fiue.
(6) The children of Pahath-Moab, of the children of Ieshua and Ioab, two thousand, eight hundred and twelue.
(7) The children of Elam, a thousand, two hundred fiftie and foure.
(8) The children of Zattu, nine hundred fourtie and fiue.
(9) The children of Zaccai, seuen hundred and threescore.
(10) The children of Bani, sixe hundred, fourtie and two.
(11) The children of Bebai, sixe hundred, twentie and three.
(12) The children of Azgad, a thousand, two hundred, twentie and two.
(13) The children of Adonikam, sixe hundred, sixtie and sixe.
(14) The children of Biguai, two thousand fiftie and sixe.
(15) The children of Adin, foure hundred, fiftie and foure.
(16) The children of Ater of Hezekiah, ninetie and eight.
(17) The children of Bezai, three hundred twenty and three.
(18) The children of Iorah, an hundred and twelue.
(19) The children of Hashum, two hundred twentie and three.
(20) The children of Gibbar, ninetie and fiue.
(21) The children of Bethlehem, an hundred twentie and three.
(22) The children of Netophah, fiftie and sixe.
(23) The men of Anathoth, an hundred twentie and eight.
(24) The children of Azmaueth, fortie and two.
(25) The children of Kiriath-arim, Chephirah, and Beeroth, seuen hundred, and fourtie and three.
(26) The children of Ramah and Gaba, sixe hundred, twentie and one.
(27) The men of Michmas, an hundred, twentie and two.
(28) The men of Bethel and Ai, two hundred, twentie and three.
(29) The children of Nebo, fiftie and two.
(30) The children of Magbish, an hundred fiftie and sixe.
(31) The children of the other Elam, a thousand, two hundred, fiftie and foure.
(32) The children of Harim, three hundred and twentie.
(33) The children of Lod Hadid, and Ono, seuen hundred, twentie and fiue.
(34) The children of Iericho, three hundred fourtie and fiue.
(35) The children of Senaah, three thousand and sixe hundred and thirtie.
(36) The Priests. The children of Iedaiah, of the house of Ieshua, nine hundred, seuentie and three.
(37) The children of Immer, a thousand, fiftie and two.
(38) The children of Pashur, a thousand, two hundred, fourtie and seuen.
(39) The children of Harim, a thousand and seuenteene.
(40) The Leuites. The children of Ieshua, and Kadmiel, of the children of Hodauia, seuentie and foure.
(41) The singers. The children of Asaph, an hundred twentie and eight.
(42) The children of the porters. The children of Shallum, the children of Ater, the children of Talmon, the children of Akkub, the children of Hatita, the children of Shobai, in all, an hundred thirtie and nine.
(43) The Nethinims. The children of Ziha, the children of Hasupha, the children of Tabbaoth,
(44) The children of Keros, the children of Siaha, the children of Padon,
(45) The children of Lebanah, the children of Hagabah, the children of Akkub,
(46) The children of Hagab, the children of Shalmai, the children of Hanan.
(47) The children of Giddel, the children of Gahar, the children of Reaiah,
(48) The children of Rezin, the children of Nekoda, the children of Gazzam,
(49) The children of Uzza, the children of Paseah, the children of Besai,
(50) The children of Asnah, the children of Mehunim, the children of Nephushim,
(51) The children of Bakbuk, the children of Hakupha, the children of Harhur,
(52) The children of Bazluth, the children of Mehida, the children of Harsha,
(53) The children of Barkos, the children of Sisera, the children of Thamah,
(54) The children of Neziah, the children of Hatipha.
(55) The children of Solomons seruants. The children of Sotai, the children of Sophereth, the children of Peruda,
(56) The children of Iaalah, the children of Darkon, the children of Giddel,
(57) The children of Shephatiah, the children of Hattil, the children of Pochereth of Zebaim, the children of Ami.
(58) All the Nethinims, and the children of Solomons seruants, were three hundred ninetie and two.
(59) And these were they which went vp from Tel-melah, Tel-Harfa, Cherub, Addan, and Immer: but they could not shewe their fathers house, and their seed, whether they were of Israel.
(60) The children of Delaiah, the children of Tobiah, the children of Nekoda: sixe hundred fiftie and two.
(61) And of the children of the priests: the children of Habaiah, the children of Koz, the children of Barzillai, (which tooke a wife of the daughters of Barzillai the Gileadite, and was called after their name.)
(62) These sought their register among those that were reckoned by genealogie, but they were not found: therefore were they as polluted, put from the priesthood.
(63) And the Tirshatha said vnto them, that they should not eate of the most holy things, till there stood vp a priest with Urim & with Thummim.
(64) The whole Congregation together, was fourtie and two thousand, three hundred and threescore:
(65) Beside their seruants and their maids, of whom there were seuen thousand, three hundred thirtie and seuen: and there were among them two hundred singing men, and singing women.
(66) Their horses were seuen hundred, thirtie and sixe: their mules, two hundred fourtie and fiue:
(67) Their camels, foure hundred, thirty and fiue: their asses, sixe thousand, seuen hundred and twentie.
(68) And some of the chiefe of the fathers, when they came to the house of the Lord which is at Ierusalem, offered freely for the house of God, to set it vp in his place:
(69) They gaue after their abilitie, vnto the treasure of the worke, threescore and one thousand drammes of golde, and fiue thousand pound of siluer, and one hundred priests garments.
(70) So the priests and the Leuites, and some of the people, and the singers, and the porters, and the Nethinims, dwelt in their cities, and all Israel in their cities.

(1) Now these are the children of the province that went up out of the captivity, of those which had been carried away, whom Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon had carried away unto Babylon, and came again unto Jerusalem and Judah, every one unto his city;
(2) Which came with Zerubbabel: Jeshua, Nehemiah, Seraiah, Reelaiah, Mordecai, Bilshan, Mispar, Bigvai, Rehum, Baanah. The number of the men of the people of Israel:
(3) The children of Parosh, two thousand an hundred seventy and two.
(4) The children of Shephatiah, three hundred seventy and two.
(5) The children of Arah, seven hundred seventy and five.
(6) The children of Pahathmoab, of the children of Jeshua and Joab, two thousand eight hundred and twelve.
(7) The children of Elam, a thousand two hundred fifty and four.
(8) The children of Zattu, nine hundred forty and five.
(9) The children of Zaccai, seven hundred and threescore.
(10) The children of Bani, six hundred forty and two.
(11) The children of Bebai, six hundred twenty and three.
(12) The children of Azgad, a thousand two hundred twenty and two.
(13) The children of Adonikam, six hundred sixty and six.
(14) The children of Bigvai, two thousand fifty and six.
(15) The children of Adin, four hundred fifty and four.
(16) The children of Ater of Hezekiah, ninety and eight.
(17) The children of Bezai, three hundred twenty and three.
(18) The children of Jorah, an hundred and twelve.
(19) The children of Hashum, two hundred twenty and three.
(20) The children of Gibbar, ninety and five.
(21) The children of Bethlehem, an hundred twenty and three.
(22) The men of Netophah, fifty and six.
(23) The men of Anathoth, an hundred twenty and eight.
(24) The children of Azmaveth, forty and two.
(25) The children of Kirjatharim, Chephirah, and Beeroth, seven hundred and forty and three.
(26) The children of Ramah and Gaba, six hundred twenty and one.
(27) The men of Michmas, an hundred twenty and two.
(28) The men of Bethel and Ai, two hundred twenty and three.
(29) The children of Nebo, fifty and two.
(30) The children of Magbish, an hundred fifty and six.
(31) The children of the other Elam, a thousand two hundred fifty and four.
(32) The children of Harim, three hundred and twenty.
(33) The children of Lod, Hadid, and Ono, seven hundred twenty and five.
(34) The children of Jericho, three hundred forty and five.
(35) The children of Senaah, three thousand and six hundred and thirty.
(36) The priests: the children of Jedaiah, of the house of Jeshua, nine hundred seventy and three.
(37) The children of Immer, a thousand fifty and two.
(38) The children of Pashur, a thousand two hundred forty and seven.
(39) The children of Harim, a thousand and seventeen.
(40) The Levites: the children of Jeshua and Kadmiel, of the children of Hodaviah, seventy and four.
(41) The singers: the children of Asaph, an hundred twenty and eight.
(42) The children of the porters: the children of Shallum, the children of Ater, the children of Talmon, the children of Akkub, the children of Hatita, the children of Shobai, in all an hundred thirty and nine.
(43) The Nethinims: the children of Ziha, the children of Hasupha, the children of Tabbaoth,
(44) The children of Keros, the children of Siaha, the children of Padon,
(45) The children of Lebanah, the children of Hagabah, the children of Akkub,
(46) The children of Hagab, the children of Shalmai, the children of Hanan,
(47) The children of Giddel, the children of Gahar, the children of Reaiah,
(48) The children of Rezin, the children of Nekoda, the children of Gazzam,
(49) The children of Uzza, the children of Paseah, the children of Besai,
(50) The children of Asnah, the children of Mehunim, the children of Nephusim,
(51) The children of Bakbuk, the children of Hakupha, the children of Harhur,
(52) The children of Bazluth, the children of Mehida, the children of Harsha,
(53) The children of Barkos, the children of Sisera, the children of Thamah,
(54) The children of Neziah, the children of Hatipha.
(55) The children of Solomon's servants: the children of Sotai, the children of Sophereth, the children of Peruda,
(56) The children of Jaalah, the children of Darkon, the children of Giddel,
(57) The children of Shephatiah, the children of Hattil, the children of Pochereth of Zebaim, the children of Ami.
(58) All the Nethinims, and the children of Solomon's servants, were three hundred ninety and two.
(59) And these were they which went up from Telmelah, Telharsa, Cherub, Addan, and Immer: but they could not shew their father's house, and their seed, whether they were of Israel:
(60) The children of Delaiah, the children of Tobiah, the children of Nekoda, six hundred fifty and two.
(61) And of the children of the priests: the children of Habaiah, the children of Koz, the children of Barzillai; which took a wife of the daughters of Barzillai the Gileadite, and was called after their name:
(62) These sought their register among those that were reckoned by genealogy, but they were not found: therefore were they, as polluted, put from the priesthood.
(63) And the Tirshatha said unto them, that they should not eat of the most holy things, till there stood up a priest with Urim and with Thummim.
(64) The whole congregation together was forty and two thousand three hundred and threescore,
(65) Beside their servants and their maids, of whom there were seven thousand three hundred thirty and seven: and there were among them two hundred singing men and singing women.
(66) Their horses were seven hundred thirty and six; their mules, two hundred forty and five;
(67) Their camels, four hundred thirty and five; their asses, six thousand seven hundred and twenty.
(68) And some of the chief of the fathers, when they came to the house of the LORD which is at Jerusalem, offered freely for the house of God to set it up in his place:
(69) They gave after their ability unto the treasure of the work threescore and one thousand drams of gold, and five thousand pound of silver, and one hundred priests' garments.
(70) So the priests, and the Levites, and some of the people, and the singers, and the porters, and the Nethinims, dwelt in their cities, and all Israel in their cities.

(1) Now these are the children of the province that went up from the captivity, of those who had been carried away, whom Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon had carried away to Babylon, and came again to Jerusalem and Judah, every one to his city;
(2) Who came with Zerubbabel: Jeshua, Nehemiah, Seraiah, Reelaiah, Mordecai, Bilshan, Mizpar, Bigvai, Rehum, Baanah. The number of the men of the people of Israel:
(3) The children of Parosh, two thousand a hundred seventy and two.
(4) The children of Shephatiah, three hundred seventy and two.
(5) The children of Arah, seven hundred seventy and five.
(6) The children of Pahath-moab, of the children of Jeshua and Joab, two thousand eight hundred and twelve.
(7) The children of Elam, a thousand two hundred fifty and four.
(8) The children of Zattu, nine hundred forty and five.
(9) The children of Zaccai, seven hundred and sixty.
(10) The children of Bani, six hundred forty and two.
(11) The children of Bebai, six hundred twenty and three.
(12) The children of Azgad, a thousand two hundred twenty and two.
(13) The children of Adonikam, six hundred sixty and six.
(14) The children of Bigvai, two thousand fifty and six.
(15) The children of Adin, four hundred fifty and four.
(16) The children of Ater of Hezekiah, ninety and eight.
(17) The children of Bezai, three hundred twenty and three.
(18) The children of Jorah, an hundred and twelve.
(19) The children of Hashum, two hundred twenty and three.
(20) The children of Gibbar, ninety and five.
(21) The children of Beth-lehem, a hundred twenty and three.
(22) The men of Netophah, fifty and six.
(23) The men of Anathoth, a hundred twenty and eight.
(24) The children of Azmaveth, forty and two.
(25) The children of Kirjath-arim, Chephirah, and Beeroth, seven hundred and forty and three.
(26) The children of Ramah and Gaba, six hundred twenty and one.
(27) The men of Michmas, a hundred twenty and two.
(28) The men of Beth-el and Ai, two hundred twenty and three.
(29) The children of Nebo, fifty and two.
(30) The children of Magbish, a hundred fifty and six.
(31) The children of the other Elam, a thousand two hundred fifty and four.
(32) The children of Harim, three hundred and twenty.
(33) The children of Lod, Hadid, and Ono, seven hundred twenty and five.
(34) The children of Jericho, three hundred forty and five.
(35) The children of Senaah, three thousand and six hundred and thirty.
(36) The priests: the children of Jedaiah, of the house of Jeshua, nine hundred seventy and three.
(37) The children of Immer, a thousand fifty and two.
(38) The children of Pashur, a thousand two hundred forty and seven.
(39) The children of Harim, a thousand and seventeen.
(40) The Levites: the children of Jeshua and Kadmiel, of the children of Hodaviah, seventy and four.
(41) The singers: the children of Asaph, a hundred twenty and eight.
(42) The children of the porters: the children of Shallum, the children of Ater, the children of Talmon, the children of Akkub, the children of Hatita, the children of Shobai, in all a hundred thirty and nine.
(43) The Nethinims: the children of Ziha, the children of Hasupha, the children of Tabbaoth,
(44) The children of Keros, the children of Siaha, the children of Padon,
(45) The children of Lebanah, the children of Hagabah, the children of Akkub,
(46) The children of Hagab, the children of Shalmai, the children of Hanan,
(47) The children of Giddel, the children of Gahar, the children of Reaiah,
(48) The children of Rezin, the children of Nekoda, the children of Gazzam,
(49) The children of Uzza, the children of Paseah, the children of Besai,
(50) The children of Asnah, the children of Mehunim, the children of Nephusim,
(51) The children of Bakbuk, the children of Hakupha, the children of Harhur,
(52) The children of Bazluth, the children of Mehida, the children of Harsha,
(53) The children of Barkos, the children of Sisera, the children of Thamah,
(54) The children of Neziah, the children of Hatipha.
(55) The children of Solomon's servants: the children of Sotai, the children of Sophereth, the children of Peruda,
(56) The children of Jaalah, the children of Darkon, the children of Giddel,
(57) The children of Shephatiah, the children of Hattil, the children of Pochereth of Zebaim, the children of Ami.
(58) All the Nethinims, and the children of Solomon's servants, were three hundred ninety and two.
(59) And these were they who went up from Tel-melah, Tel-harsa, Cherub, Addan, and Immer: but they could not show their fathers' house, and their seed, whether they were of Israel:
(60) The children of Delaiah, the children of Tobiah, the children of Nekoda, six hundred fifty and two.
(61) And of the children of the priests: the children of Habaiah, the children of Koz, the children of Barzillai: who took a wife of the daughters of Barzillai the Gileadite, and was called after their name:
(62) These sought their register among those that were reckoned by genealogy, but they were not found: therefore were they, as polluted, put from the priesthood.
(63) And the Tirshatha said to them, that they should not eat of the most holy things, till there stood up a priest with Urim and with Thummim.
(64) The whole congregation together was forty and two thousand three hundred and sixty,
(65) Besides their servants and their maids, of whom there were seven thousand three hundred thirty and seven: and there were among them two hundred singing-men and singing-women.
(66) Their horses were seven hundred thirty and six; their mules, two hundred forty and five;
(67) Their camels, four hundred thirty and five; their asses, six thousand seven hundred and twenty.
(68) And some of the chief of the fathers, when they came to the house of the LORD which is at Jerusalem, offered freely for the house of God to set it up in its place:
(69) They gave after their ability to the treasure of the work sixty and one thousand drams of gold, and five thousand pounds of silver, and one hundred priests garments.
(70) So the priests, and the Levites, and some of the people, and the singers, and the porters, and the Nethinims, dwelt in their cities, and all Israel in their cities.

1 Now these are the people of the province who came up from the captivity of the exiles, whom Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon had taken captive to Babylon (they returned to Jerusalem and Judah, each to his own town, 2 in company with Zerubbabel, Jeshua, Nehemiah, Seraiah, Reelaiah, Mordecai, Bilshan, Mispar, Bigvai, Rehum and Baanah):
The list of the men of the people of Israel:

3 the descendants of Parosh 2,172

4 of Shephatiah 372

5 of Arah 775

6 of Pahath-Moab (through the line of Jeshua and Joab) 2,812

7 of Elam 1,254

8 of Zattu 945

9 of Zaccai 760

10 of Bani 642

11 of Bebai 623

12 of Azgad 1,222

13 of Adonikam 666

14 of Bigvai 2,056

15 of Adin 454

16 of Ater (through Hezekiah) 98

17 of Bezai 323

18 of Jorah 112

19 of Hashum 223

20 of Gibbar 95

21 the men of Bethlehem 123

22 of Netophah 56

23 of Anathoth 128

24 of Azmaveth 42

25 of Kiriath Jearim, Kephirah and Beeroth 743

26 of Ramah and Geba 621

27 of Micmash 122

28 of Bethel and Ai 223

29 of Nebo 52

30 of Magbish 156

31 of the other Elam 1,254

32 of Harim 320

33 of Lod, Hadid and Ono 725

34 of Jericho 345

35 of Senaah 3,630

36 The priests:
the descendants of Jedaiah (through the family of Jeshua) 973

37 of Immer 1,052

38 of Pashhur 1,247

39 of Harim 1,017

40 The Levites:
the descendants of Jeshua and Kadmiel (through the line of Hodaviah) 74

41 The singers:
the descendants of Asaph 128

42 The gatekeepers of the temple:
the descendants of
Shallum, Ater, Talmon,
Akkub, Hatita and Shobai 139

43 The temple servants:
the descendants of
Ziha, Hasupha, Tabbaoth,

44 Keros, Siaha, Padon,

45 Lebanah, Hagabah, Akkub,

46 Hagab, Shalmai, Hanan,

47 Giddel, Gahar, Reaiah,

48 Rezin, Nekoda, Gazzam,

49 Uzza, Paseah, Besai,

50 Asnah, Meunim, Nephussim,

51 Bakbuk, Hakupha, Harhur,

52 Bazluth, Mehida, Harsha,

53 Barkos, Sisera, Temah,

54 Neziah and Hatipha

55 The descendants of the servants of Solomon:
the descendants of
Sotai, Hassophereth, Peruda,

56 Jaala, Darkon, Giddel,

57 Shephatiah, Hattil,
Pokereth-Hazzebaim and Ami

58 The temple servants and the descendants of the servants of Solomon 392

59 The following came up from the towns of Tel Melah, Tel Harsha, Kerub, Addon and Immer, but they could not show that their families were descended from Israel:

60 The descendants of
Delaiah, Tobiah and Nekoda 652

61 And from among the priests:
The descendants of
Hobaiah, Hakkoz and Barzillai (a man who had married a daughter of Barzillai the Gileadite and was called by that name).

62 These searched for their family records, but they could not find them and so were excluded from the priesthood as unclean. 63 The governor ordered them not to eat any of the most sacred food until there was a priest ministering with the Urim and Thummim.

64 The whole company numbered 42,360, 65 besides their 7,337 menservants and maidservants; and they also had 200 men and women singers. 66 They had 736 horses, 245 mules, 67 435 camels and 6,720 donkeys.

68 When they arrived at the house of the LORD in Jerusalem, some of the heads of the families gave freewill offerings toward the rebuilding of the house of God on its site. 69 According to their ability they gave to the treasury for this work 61,000 drachmas of gold, 5,000 minas of silver and 100 priestly garments.

70 The priests, the Levites, the singers, the gatekeepers and the temple servants settled in their own towns, along with some of the other people, and the rest of the Israelites settled in their towns.

So, how much of the KJV/the Bible do you believe is true? 100% 99.9% 51% 49% 25% 5% 1% or what?

Do you have a favorite edition of the Bible? If so, what is your favorite edition?

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Really? That was spam. If the point is to compare translations from multiple Bibles, why chose the least flexible kind of passage? There are only so many ways to say Person X begat Person Y, and the list should be pretty much intact because: names don't require translation. Now, compare a brief passage of metaphorical language, especially one that might be interpreted differently from one culture to the next (Hebrew, Greek, Roman or even KJ English) and you might have me sitting up and paying rapt attention.