Does circumcision cause psychological harm?

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14 Aug 2010, 4:32 pm

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Foreskin removal lowers the risk of cancer of the glans penis. Do you think this advantage causes psychological damage.

One word: Higyene.

The experience may cause psychological damage, well it would depend on the circumstances though, but I believe it is better on a baby that on a 7 year old child, as they don't remember it later.


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Foreskin removal also lowers the risk of AIDS.

By 100%? I doubt that, so in practice, that's meaningless, as the risk is always there, even though it is believed to be somehow lower, having sex without safety measures is never advisable.

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Foreskin removal does not prevent urination nor does it promote erectile dysfunction, so what is the problem with it?

That its removal is not generally a medical necessity, rather cultural reasons, unless there are medical conditions in which that is imperative, but those are exceptions.


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14 Aug 2010, 6:30 pm

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Removing your finger tips can be done painlessly thanks to anesthetics . Removing your finger tips will also make your hand much easier to clean and as previously mentioned. As mentioned, it should decrease hand infection rates by 10%.


Oh yes, that certainly is exactly the same thing. :roll: Good demonstration of word swapping being a vacuous tool of rhetoric alone.


Is washing your penis that much trouble that you have to lop off a chunk of skin from it?


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15 Aug 2010, 1:32 pm

I'm not circumcised but I'm already messed up enough with Asperger's, so I wouldn't want add to that :?


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15 Aug 2010, 7:28 pm

skafather84 wrote:
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Circumcision is a euphemism for genital reduction surgery or genital mutilation, ...


Skafather84=>You are trolling. This is just a bunch of BS to get people riled up over nothing. Any time a troll uses the emotionally charged word "mutilation" to describe circumcision, you know that he is lying and nothing else he says is true either. Give it up. I'm not playing your game.


First, the semantics:

mu·ti·late   [myoot-l-eyt] Show IPA
–verb (used with object), -lat·ed, -lat·ing.
1.
to injure, disfigure, or make imperfect by removing or irreparably damaging parts


Next, it wasn't my wording but the wording of an essay I had read and subsequently copy/pasted here.

Circumcision verily fits the definition of mutilation, however. The penis is mutilated from its original form that 99.9% of every male is born with. It's religious mutilation but it's still mutilation and if the tribes who've seen female circumcision banned and decried as mutilation can handle it, you can handle it too since you're assumedly more civil than them.


What form is the other 0.1% born with?


It's most likely more than that but I was more implying the cases of mutations or birth defects that results in the genitals not being formed correctly.

Though, I don't think there's ever been a mutation where a baby has been born without the foreskin in such a fashion as how we know a circumcised penis to exist. At least, I haven't heard of such a birth defect.


Foreskin in absentia topic

My son was born without a foreskin. Extremely rare, but no medical problems because of it. 8)


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16 Aug 2010, 6:44 am

skafather84 wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
Removing your finger tips can be done painlessly thanks to anesthetics . Removing your finger tips will also make your hand much easier to clean and as previously mentioned. As mentioned, it should decrease hand infection rates by 10%.


Oh yes, that certainly is exactly the same thing. :roll: Good demonstration of word swapping being a vacuous tool of rhetoric alone.


Is washing your penis that much trouble that you have to lop off a chunk of skin from it?


No, but in terms of people in general, most seem to be the kind too lazy to put food in the microwave for themselves.



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16 Aug 2010, 10:18 am

sartresue wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
n4mwd wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Circumcision is a euphemism for genital reduction surgery or genital mutilation, ...


Skafather84=>You are trolling. This is just a bunch of BS to get people riled up over nothing. Any time a troll uses the emotionally charged word "mutilation" to describe circumcision, you know that he is lying and nothing else he says is true either. Give it up. I'm not playing your game.


First, the semantics:

mu·ti·late   [myoot-l-eyt] Show IPA
–verb (used with object), -lat·ed, -lat·ing.
1.
to injure, disfigure, or make imperfect by removing or irreparably damaging parts


Next, it wasn't my wording but the wording of an essay I had read and subsequently copy/pasted here.

Circumcision verily fits the definition of mutilation, however. The penis is mutilated from its original form that 99.9% of every male is born with. It's religious mutilation but it's still mutilation and if the tribes who've seen female circumcision banned and decried as mutilation can handle it, you can handle it too since you're assumedly more civil than them.


What form is the other 0.1% born with?


It's most likely more than that but I was more implying the cases of mutations or birth defects that results in the genitals not being formed correctly.

Though, I don't think there's ever been a mutation where a baby has been born without the foreskin in such a fashion as how we know a circumcised penis to exist. At least, I haven't heard of such a birth defect.


Foreskin in absentia topic

My son was born without a foreskin. Extremely rare, but no medical problems because of it. 8)


Doesn't surprise me that such a case would exist but it's not the norm and forcing such a cosmetic surgery and a decision on a child is insanity. It's wrong to force such a thing on a healthy baby boy.


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16 Aug 2010, 11:39 am

skafather84 wrote:
sartresue wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
n4mwd wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Circumcision is a euphemism for genital reduction surgery or genital mutilation, ...


Skafather84=>You are trolling. This is just a bunch of BS to get people riled up over nothing. Any time a troll uses the emotionally charged word "mutilation" to describe circumcision, you know that he is lying and nothing else he says is true either. Give it up. I'm not playing your game.


First, the semantics:

mu·ti·late   [myoot-l-eyt] Show IPA
–verb (used with object), -lat·ed, -lat·ing.
1.
to injure, disfigure, or make imperfect by removing or irreparably damaging parts


Next, it wasn't my wording but the wording of an essay I had read and subsequently copy/pasted here.

Circumcision verily fits the definition of mutilation, however. The penis is mutilated from its original form that 99.9% of every male is born with. It's religious mutilation but it's still mutilation and if the tribes who've seen female circumcision banned and decried as mutilation can handle it, you can handle it too since you're assumedly more civil than them.


What form is the other 0.1% born with?


It's most likely more than that but I was more implying the cases of mutations or birth defects that results in the genitals not being formed correctly.

Though, I don't think there's ever been a mutation where a baby has been born without the foreskin in such a fashion as how we know a circumcised penis to exist. At least, I haven't heard of such a birth defect.


Foreskin in absentia topic

My son was born without a foreskin. Extremely rare, but no medical problems because of it. 8)


Doesn't surprise me that such a case would exist but it's not the norm and forcing such a cosmetic surgery and a decision on a child is insanity. It's wrong to force such a thing on a healthy baby boy.


Well then, if such a procedure could be done prior to birth, when most moral liberals consider life not yet to be alive, would it then be "okay" to perform such a thing on a healthy 'fetal' boy?



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16 Aug 2010, 6:53 pm

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Well then, if such a procedure could be done prior to birth, when most moral liberals consider life not yet to be alive, would it then be "okay" to perform such a thing on a healthy 'fetal' boy?

Only if he is dead.


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16 Aug 2010, 7:18 pm

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Well then, if such a procedure could be done prior to birth, when most moral liberals consider life not yet to be alive, would it then be "okay" to perform such a thing on a healthy 'fetal' boy?

Only if he is dead.


Well, haven't you heard the definition game done by the proabortion crowd, moving the line defining where a life begins? In such a sense, a 'fetus' isn't really alive, or is it? If the mere 'fetus' isn't alive, then why should it matter whether or not anything is done to 'it'? I don't know about you greenblue, but some people may wish to have their cake remain whole and yet consume it also.



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16 Aug 2010, 7:27 pm

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Well, haven't you heard the definition game done by the proabortion crowd, moving the line defining where a life begins? In such a sense, a 'fetus' isn't really alive, or is it? If the mere 'fetus' isn't alive, then why should it matter whether or not anything is done to 'it'? I don't know about you greenblue, but some people may wish to have their cake remain whole and yet consume it also.

Not really, without accusing you of fallacious arguments, I will say that the issue within the "proabortion crowd" (correctly pro-choice but I, particularly, am pro-abortion), is not strictly life, claiming that a fetus is not alive doesn't make sense, rather the issue is personhood. And the cake thing, I'd like more after consuming an entire one rather than the same.


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16 Aug 2010, 7:56 pm

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Well, haven't you heard the definition game done by the proabortion crowd, moving the line defining where a life begins? In such a sense, a 'fetus' isn't really alive, or is it? If the mere 'fetus' isn't alive, then why should it matter whether or not anything is done to 'it'? I don't know about you greenblue, but some people may wish to have their cake remain whole and yet consume it also.

Not really, without accusing you of fallacious arguments, I will say that the issue within the "proabortion crowd" (correctly pro-choice but I, particularly, am pro-abortion), is not strictly life, claiming that a fetus is not alive doesn't make sense, rather the issue is personhood. And the cake thing, I'd like more after consuming an entire one rather than the same.


Okay, fine a definition game of personhood then. How about we define the age at which a Homo sapien receives personhood to be, arbitrarily, 150 years?