Abortion Of Disabled Fetuses Is Compassion!

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30 Aug 2010, 2:38 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:

Even so, who decides what's disabled and what's not?

Eugenics are a huge risk in here. Not worth it.

These groups decide what's diabled and what's not:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disability#Theory

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30 Aug 2010, 6:06 pm

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skafather84 wrote:

ChrisVulcan wrote:

children

Not children.

Under 18 = children

-18 is under 18, does that count?

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Just one last time: it's no one's business why someone would get an abortion nor is it anyone's business if they've had an abortion or not. It's a personal matter.

That's pretty much my point as well, however I'm not certain if it can be legally justified to abort for a reason such as the fetus doesn't look pretty enough or even, because it is too black or too ethnic, or female rather than male and the reasons mentioned in this thread, I personally feel that shouldn't matter, to some extent, though.

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31 Aug 2010, 7:59 pm

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I think one should be very cautious in condemning less than perfect people to doom and destruction. Most of us are defective in some way.

"Perfect" people are full of crap. I know, here's a picture of my ex-girlfriend.

When a perfect girl spreads rumors about you behind your back and f*cks half the boys she sees, that's not a good sign.

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31 Aug 2010, 10:39 pm

[quote="greenblue"]
-18 is under 18, does that count? [quote]

Point well taken. I think that by definition a human, or any other organism, can't be killed until it's alive. I don't think it can be considered alive until the full genome is in place, rather than 18 years before conception.

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01 Sep 2010, 10:51 pm

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In my view, all disabled feteuses should be aborted. No? Let the disabled baby be born, then let that person have the choice to end his or her life. Whatever the outcome, don't think the eradication of disabilities has any level or similarities with what the Nazi's did with the Jews. Just don't, that was an entirely different thing altogether.

Actually, it has a lot of similarity with what the Nazis did to the Jews. In fact, the disabled were Hitler's first targets.

"Action T4 (German: Aktion T4) was the name used after WWII for the Euthanasia Program in Nazi Germany officially spanning October 1939 until August 1941 but continued unofficially until the demise of the Nazi regime in 1945 and even beyond, during which physicians killed thousands of people specified in Hitler's secret memo of September 1, 1939 as suffering patients "judged incurably sick, by critical medical examination", but described in a denunciation of the program by Cardinal Galen as long-term inmates of mental asylums "who may appear incurable".

From the official Nazi files, there is evidence that during the official stage 70,273 people were killed. The Nuremberg Trials found evidence that German and Austrian physicians continued the extermination of patients after October 1941 and evidence that about 275,000 people were killed under T4. More recent research based on files that were recovered after 1990 gives a figure of at least 200,000 physically or mentally handicapped people that were killed by medication, starvation, or in the gas chambers between 1939 and 1945."

--taken from the wikipedia article on Action T4

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02 Sep 2010, 12:05 am

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I am compassionate.

A luxury that's over-afforded and abused in today's world of excesses.

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03 Sep 2010, 9:51 am

It's a little scary when people with a neurology that affects their ability to empathize decide to debate which lives have value.....

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03 Sep 2010, 9:57 am

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It's a little scary when people with a neurology that affects their ability to empathize decide to debate which lives have value.....

That is for mothers or pregnant women to decide.

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03 Sep 2010, 10:01 am

ruveyn wrote:

Rynessa wrote:

It's a little scary when people with a neurology that affects their ability to empathize decide to debate which lives have value.....

That is for mothers or pregnant women to decide.

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Do the males play any part in the decision process?

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03 Sep 2010, 10:22 am

Craig28 wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Rynessa wrote:

It's a little scary when people with a neurology that affects their ability to empathize decide to debate which lives have value.....

That is for mothers or pregnant women to decide.

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Do the males play any part in the decision process?

Whose life is at risk by childbirth?

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03 Sep 2010, 10:45 am

ruveyn wrote:

Craig28 wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Rynessa wrote:

It's a little scary when people with a neurology that affects their ability to empathize decide to debate which lives have value.....

That is for mothers or pregnant women to decide.

ruveyn

Do the males play any part in the decision process?

Whose life is at risk by childbirth?

ruveyn

Women dying giving birth these days has almost been eradicated. If having a child is such a risk, then why do people bother having any at all?

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03 Sep 2010, 11:06 am

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skafather84 wrote:

Just one last time: it's no one's business why someone would get an abortion nor is it anyone's business if they've had an abortion or not. It's a personal matter.

It shouldn't matter at all. No questions asked. Abortions are A-Okay! (the A is for abortion! :wink:

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People just don't have the level of comprehension needed to fully grasp the matter and they all end up personalizing it instead and say "well, I wouldn't want to be dead!" The problem with this is that there's the functional issue here: there is no downside to a legal abortion. There is a huge downside to illegal abortion (because abortion would still exist and you're a complete and utter moron if you don't get this by now). This is entirely different than killing a person because it's not outside the womb, it's not out in the open and it is being rejected by its host, not a third party.

You want the difference between killing a person and killing a fetus? Compare abortion clinics with wars or urban drug wars. Is there wanton abortions going on to women who don't want abortions? Are specialists running around just aborting random women? It's a controlled choice.

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03 Sep 2010, 11:55 am

Craig28 wrote:

Women dying giving birth these days has almost been eradicated. If having a child is such a risk, then why do people bother having any at all?

There is no way of logically explaining silliness and madness.

And women still do die in childbirth. But the rate is much lower now than it used to be. Among the poor complications associated with childbirth are still at a significant level.

Regardless of the odds, women bear the risks of childbirth, not men, so they have the say.

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03 Sep 2010, 1:19 pm

ruveyn wrote:

Craig28 wrote:

Women dying giving birth these days has almost been eradicated. If having a child is such a risk, then why do people bother having any at all?

Without the man, there would be NO baby. Its his sperm, and he has the right to withhold that from any woman, even if that woman happens to be the wife. She can b***h to the authorities all she wants, but the law can't put the husband in prison for not having sex with his wife. The law would laugh at her and remind her that there are millions of men out there who can get her pregnant, but if she is too stubborn to divorce her husband so she can do that then tough luck to her.

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03 Sep 2010, 1:50 pm

Craig28 wrote:

Without the man, there would be NO baby.

You're apparently not up on your science as of late.

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Its his sperm, and he has the right to withhold that from any woman, even if that woman happens to be the wife.

As if it'd be hard for a woman to find a willing sperm donor.

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She can b***h to the authorities all she wants, but the law can't put the husband in prison for not having sex with his wife. The law would laugh at her and remind her that there are millions of men out there who can get her pregnant, but if she is too stubborn to divorce her husband so she can do that then tough luck to her.

Okay...what's the point of this? I mean you went from bitching about a man having rights over a woman's body to some rant about withholding sperm...things alright at home, buddy?

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03 Sep 2010, 2:46 pm

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The question is not how the woman got preggers, but what hazard she has going to childbirth vs aborting (preferably in the first trimester). The woman bears the hazards of childbirth. The man does not.

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