"Liberal Media" Suspends Keith Olbermann and only

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Hey, at least it wasn't the "conservative press" that suspended him. Ah, Keith you silver fox....always pushing the envelope of corporate media. Oooh, oooh .... maybe Catie Kuric is next? I here she had it coming ... you know ... for asking questions of people who .... who .... can't answer them?

You neglect to mention they want him to spend more money and govern even further to the left. Furthermore, Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly bashed Bush on multiple occasions.

Also:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/fo ... 4_ST_N.htm



Maybe you should actually look into what Beck is actually saying and look into how he is reaching the conclusions he is reaching.

The scary thing is, that Beck starts to make sense as you back check his sources... I'm hoping that he's drawing a wrong conclusion, but I can see how he is reaching his conclusions. Could just be I have gotten extremely cynical.



Fact is that restrictions of political donations is not in the contracts of any Fox News employee. They are free to donate to whomever they want as far as politics. Olberman's problem stemmed from the fact that his contract restricted him from giving political donations, it is called breach of contract.



Aren't Juan Williams and Bob Beckel Democrats? (Not sure about Juan being a Democrat still after NPR) Geraldo (sp?) is also a liberal and I think he still has his show.



Fox News wouldn't hire him in the first place because of his reputation of not being able to remain civil with coworkers...

I only have one question about "Cool Hand Juan:" How did he get booted from NPR and end of with a multi-million dollar contact seemingly in just a day or two? Doesn't it take time to craft a contact, especially one that involves a significant amount of money. Seems just a little premeditated.

But good for old Juan. It has to be much more exciting at Fox than it ever was at NPR (I hear Hannity just loves to play practical jokes on all the new people).

He got booted for a comment that was taken out of context, if one watched the full segment you would see he was arguing against bigotry.

Fox News just decided they weren't going to stand idly by and let an individual that normally appears on shows to be treated like that. (Also probably to further annoy executives at NPR)



Well it certainly is more tolerant than NPR. They could have Sean Hannity and Bob Beckel on the same show without killing each other afterall.

Thanks for your answer, but I still don't understand how the contract could of happened so quickly. I am aware of the circumstances of the fracas, but the speed of the transition seems unprecedented.

Another item is a lot of people at Fox News knew Juan Williams personally and were outraged at what NPR did. They may have disagreements with Juan politically, but personally a lot of them are friends with Juan. Additionally they felt it happened because Juan appears on Fox News and the powers that be at NPR has a blind hatred of Fox.

Ok, I understand your point, but no one has answered my question: I still don't understand how the contract could of happened so quickly. I am aware of the circumstances of the fracas, but the speed of the transition seems unprecedented.

This has been much cited, and I mentioned it in my post, but that does not and never did override the fact that the journalistic standards asked them to set that aside and report as unbiased as possible. My whole point was about the journalistic standard, and the attempt to be without bias. The right wing news has discarded that age old standard, but the so-called liberal media has not. Fox did not by any means level the playing field; it went out and created an entirely new one.



I think it speaks more to people's need for someone to validate their own opinions, than any reality of liberal propaganda in the traditional news. These conservative viewers don't WANT to see unbiased news; they want to see news that enforces their beliefs, and does not challenge them to think beyond what they already believe. In short, they don't want news. They do, in fact, want propaganda. In the right flavor, of course.

I have spent countless hours following the "proof" conservative friends have sent me, in an effort to ferret out the most informed political positions possible. Not recently, but I have. I actually hold many conservative opinions, for very specific areas, given that I am both a tax professional and a Catholic. But the information people sent me from the conservative media was pure garbage. There were so many errors in information that I know from my profession. Not small ones; HUGE ones. I learned years ago it isn't realistic to hold media to anything better than an 80% accuracy standard, but what I was seeing was more like 30%. Sure, liberal media makes errors, but nothing, NOTHING, like the conservative media does. And they make those errors not because they don't research their material, but because they aren't reporting. They are selling, and sales don't require accurate facts.

There are members on this board that are able to persuade me to reconsider positions, for the simple reality that they will challenge my view with intelligent discussion and facts. That is not true of the conservative media. It's entertainment and propaganda, not news. At least the traditional (what you consider liberal) media is still trying.

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Juan William's firing like that was unprecidented too. Juan Williams gives Fox News even more credibility by the fact that they can handle discourse without firing people for not speaking the company line. Also they already had a contract with him, it isn't as hard to negotiate an expanded contract with someone you already have a contract with.

I don't think this was planned, I do think Fox News took advantage of the situation to make NPR look like a bunch of idiots (not that they needed help in that department).

I think you hit the nail on the head with that one. Fox is full of terrific salesmen. Their above average viewership simply reinforces that fact.

Imho both of the recent firings/suspensions were foolish on the parts of the networks that did them; it was also ridiculous for the major networks to prohibit their people from going to the Stewart/Colbert rally. One does not stop being an American citizen when one becomes a journalist.

Which is precisely my point. How can Fox News exhibit even the shallowest pretense of journalistic integrity or impartiality, when their policies on political donation are completely antithetical to the basic journalistic ideal of separation from the political apparatus? What you've just described used to be seen as a major conflict of interest.

Speaking of conflict of interest:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPCZjJscHoE[/youtube]

Because when they donate to someone's campaign they usually out and out tell you that they donated to so and so's campaign. Also for election news they tend to have people on both the left and the right covering election NEWS and doesn't have an all far left panel like MSNBC.

I've already cited examples that contradict this claim.

I think this sounds like a reasonable point to be made.